The Warped Shelf – Barbenheimer
From the ashes of Doom Eternal and Animal Crossing: New Horizons comes the latest, greatest, and oddly organic double feature. How did the two pair? Is it worth the 5 hour journey? Let’s talk about it.
Episode #146
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
Hello and welcome to The Warped Shelf, I’m Frank Duran.
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
I’m Deshawn Vasquez.
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
And today we’re talking about this cinematic event that is Barbie Heimer, which turns
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
Barbenheimer.
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
into our cinematic event of a podcast, which is going to be this double episode where we’re gonna talk about Barbie and then we’ll talk about Oppenheimer and basically throughout be talking about similarities, themes, why these… to have our together and why it matters to people like us. You know, like, and just so you know, you’re listening to The Warped Shelf where, you know, we find out what’s worth taking home with you and talk about what, you know, is worth keeping and
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
Yeah, that
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
putting
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
can be
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
on your shelf
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
spiritually
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
yourself.
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
or that can be literally like an actual physical copy.
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
And today we’re talking about something that I think is a theater event. I think this is something that you had to go to the theaters to see it. But of course, I will say it right here right now, I will gladly own these two when they come out physical. No
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
I’m-
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
spoiler review, I want to own these motherfuckers.
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
I’m excited to see like what they try to do for like a steelbook of Barbie specifically,
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
bright.
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
just like this fucking hot pink monstrosity that they come up with.
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
I know, I’m so excited. And of course, the like, the dark steel box that’s going to be Oppenheimer, you’re just gonna
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
Mm-hmm.
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
be like, fuck, look at that scary fucking blu-ray over there.
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
just
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
You’re
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
like
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
like,
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
an
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
Jesus.
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
artist rendition of like the final shot of just Killian Murphy just like staring at the middle distance.
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
I’m so excited to talk about this because it is, I think, one of the cooler, like, movie go to the theater events we’ve had in a very long time. You know, like there’s good things to go see the movie theaters for, but there’s not good things to go see multiple movies for in one weekend. And I think that’s super fun. You know, like I think that’s awesome. And I think there’s a reason why these two. kind of generated this kind of hype and also why they work well together, you know? Like why they actually kind of melt in a lot of ways. And I think it comes down to that, you know, like a lot of people were going in being like, wow, Barbie’s gonna be this like, you know, like bright pink bubbly Barbie, like origin story movie or something. It’s
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
Mm-hmm.
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
not what they got. They went into Oppenheimer being like, oh man, it’s going to be a Nolan movie doing atomic bombs going off as much as possible. And instead they got a very contemplative, almost abstract historical take, really realistic for Nolan, like almost unbelievably realistic for Nolan, but
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
Surprise,
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
also at times
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
they’re both character
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
open.
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
studies about humanity.
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
Yeah. Exactly! And I feel like I came out of Barbie having cried multiple times, but then I walked out of Oppenheimer and I was emotionally devastated. I
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
Hahaha!
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
was like, oh fuck! You know, like, because I came out of Barbie being like, wow, that was like really touching. And I’ve seen Barbie now twice. I went to see it again on Wednesday. I saw opening day, the first two showings of both. And D’Shawn actually saw it in 70mm, you saw Oppenheimer?
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
Yeah, yeah, the Coolidge, both the Coolidge and the Summerville Theater were actually doing 70mm screenings for
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
Beautiful
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
Oppenheimer, which is…
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
the way Nolan dented
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
Yeah, which is definitely what I would want to do because… Unfortunately, like, the actual, like, the real Jordan’s furniture IMAX
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
Mmm.
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
in NADIC is kind of out of my way for someone who doesn’t
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
Yeah?
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
have a car. Like, it’s pretty inaccessible
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
And it’s…
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
even with PT, so…
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
Yeah, it’s not easy. Yeah,
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
But
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
it’s
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
you
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
not…
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
know, if you’re actually gonna screen it on film and in its proper format, which we obviously know that the Coolidge knows their shit,
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
Yeah, they
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
then
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
know the shit and
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
for
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
they
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
sure.
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
treat it well. Coolest
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
I
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
corner
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
didn’t,
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
theater.
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
I saw it not opening day, but like the Monday
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
Opening
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
after
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
weekend,
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
the first
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
yeah.
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
weekend because
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
Which
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
I was
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
was
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
at a
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
a
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
state.
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
record Monday, and then they set a record Wednesday. Barbie’s been smashing records. I can see why. You come in thinking it’s going to be, and it kind of plays as a people pleaser. You know, like, that’s what I’ve seen a lot of criticism, is just the way it plays. What happens on the screen. A lot of people have not been criticizing. what obviously Greta Gerwig and Margot Robbie were working with here in the double entendre of the whole entire movie. The entire movie plays on two levels constantly.
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
Mm-hmm.
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
And I think that that’s what makes this such a clever movie. And how much it just leans into expressionism, leans into how we express ourselves, how… you know, film expresses itself and also, you know, the way music is able to express so much through storytelling is kind
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
Mm-hmm.
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
of impressive here. And then you have Oppenheimer, you know, like, and you’re just like… That might be Nolan’s fucking best. You know, like it might
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
It’s-
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
be a…
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
I did come out of it just like this is definitely in his fucking at least top three. This is definitely one
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
Right?
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
of his stronger works.
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
Not, I did not have fun. I did not have fun. I did not walk out of Dark Knight and want to turn, like I did out of Dark Knight and Inception and I literally out of Dark Knight, I turned around and bought a ticket and Inception we did it literally like the next day I bought another Inception ticket and went back. Like those, I had to see it again. Like
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
Mm-hmm.
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
I had, you know, and it was like so much fun. I really wanted to. I don’t know if I could take Oppenheimer a second
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
Oppenheimer’s
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
time,
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
not meant
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
you know,
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
to
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
like.
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
pump you up.
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
Nope, nope. Ha ha ha.
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
Like you saw Barbie and Oppenheimer, I did the opposite. I did Oppenheimer
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
Mm.
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
first and then Barbie. So it came out of the first being like, yeah, humanity’s doomed. And
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
Mwahahahaha!
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
then jumping into Barbie afterwards is the cool thing. I was just like, okay, maybe not.
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
Yeah, you’re like, you’re like, ah,
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
Maybe
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
joy.
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
there’s hope.
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
There’s a little bit of joy here. Like, I, the emotional devastation that Nolan’s able to deliver by actually delving into romance for the first time in his fucking movies is actually pretty fucking fantastic. Like, I feel like this man has had such a hard time doing romance in movies other than like, Bond girl aesthetic, you know, like it’s just like, ah, yes. And it’s like, Rachel is such a bystander half the time, you
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
Yeah,
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
know, like
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
Rachel Such.
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
it’s like Nolan has a lot of criticisms against him on this.
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
Yeah, Rachel feels in both Begins and Dark Knight like a plot device more than an actual character.
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
Yeah, and I think that something that crosses over to like, to what Barbie is talking about also there, but like, but it’s one of those things that like Nolan is actually correcting here, like he’s actually having female main characters that aren’t just like plot devices or something, and actually they actually get full scenes and I feel like this is such an improvement on that devastating portrayal of a man. But also give us a fantastic court drama and a great sci-fi, no, not sci-fi, but like a great science movie at the same time. It’s extremely impressive. I do have some small criticisms about both movies.
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
Mm-hmm.
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
I feel like I have. Maybe not small for either, but I think that both of these are really great. And it’s one of those things that you have to, I feel like it’s really great to see them both, you know? Like
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
Yeah,
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
it…
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
and what’s great about this being built as a double feature is that it just sort of happened organically Basically just
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
Yeah.
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
through social media like it was just fun It was basically a repeat of what we had with doom eternal and animal crossing new horizons
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
Yeah.
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
when those two came out Because those came out the same day. So there were a bunch of memes about like Golf kids walking into a game stop
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
Eh-heh.
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
and buying animal crossing and like girls in pink dresses just like, do maternal please. And then pretty much the exact same meme happened again with the Barbie and Oppenheimer thing. So it’s like, oh,
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
It’s
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
that’s
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
true.
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
hilarious. These movies are two on the exact opposite of the spectrum coming out the same day. And it’s also great because like, no one ain’t cool with WB anymore. Like he’s moved
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
You right?
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
on. Like, like he is sick of their shit after being a
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
Yeah.
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
ride or die with them for so long. And I’m sure Warner Brothers on Barbie’s end is just like, oh, no one’s gonna leave us. Wait till we out gross you motherfucker.
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
Hehehehehehe
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
We’re gonna pit you. We’re gonna pit you against your movie coming out. And the fact that organically it’s just like, no, we ain’t pin them against each other. We’re watching them both.
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
We’re watching them both. Yeah, exactly. We’re watching them both. And to be fair, if you go really back on our podcast, we’ve been talking about Barbiheimer literally since it was announced. Like me and Deshawn, if you go back in episodes, we bring it up. We mention it in filthy casual episodes and we talk about. it happening and
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
Mm-hmm.
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
it’s like funny that we’ve come to this fucking giant episode where we get to talk about it finally because we’ve been hyping up this joke forever and to be fair to me it’s
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
So
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
no joke.
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
the correct term is Barbenheimer, not Barbieheimer.
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
bourbon
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
Barbenheimer’s
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
hammer
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
the one that’s kind of caught on. That’s the one you see on t-shirts.
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
All right, barb
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
And it also
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
and hammer
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
rolls off the tongue better.
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
all right
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
I know it gives like a little more of the name to Oppenheimer, but it’s just smoother.
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
Barbenhain, Barbenheimer, yeah, okay. All right,
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
Yeah.
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
I’ll let it fly. I’ll let it fly, but I don’t know if I’ll say it, but I’ll try. But they, I feel like it’s a, the reason why it’s great to see these movies together is that a lot of people don’t see multiple movies. I don’t think that happens often. I don’t think people sit down and have movie marathons like this. And I feel like
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
You can seldom
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
going
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
get people
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
to the
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
to
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
movie
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
go to
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
theaters,
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
the theaters anymore, Frank. That’s
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
EXACT
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
not for like a huge tent pole, let alone a fucking double feature.
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
I’ve been going to the movies. Don’t you talk to me? I’ve been going you know me.
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
This wasn’t
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
I’ve been
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
specifically directed at you, but if you’re gonna
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
Have
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
get
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
they
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
so
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
I know
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
defensive,
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
your tone
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
I feel
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
you
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
like
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
motherfucker
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
you’re admitting. I think you’re admitting something,
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
I
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
Frank.
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
Know your tone motherfucker All right fine But I do think that this actually got people to go to theaters first off. I love that because theaters need the help in every
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
Yeah,
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
way
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
we’re
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
you
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
still
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
know like
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
in like… We’re still in that like nuclear winter, like post-lockdown, of just
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
Mmm.
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
like theaters are definitely in a better place than they were, but it’s still kind of scary and we need people to
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
Yeah.
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
go.
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
And it’s one of those things that in a world where even I was like, I’ll wait to see the flash when it comes on Max. I was gonna go see it in theaters and then I was kind of like, all this bad reception, I’ll wait to see it in Max. But that leads to it being one of the biggest bombs of all time is that people know they were dropping it on Max early. You know, like
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
Yeah.
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
they were doing that for a lot of movies. So it’s like, it kind of creates this like feeling of like, I don’t need to go because it’s like, I will see it later. You know, like instead of that need to see it,
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
And
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
like
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
this is something
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
Barby
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
I’ve been,
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
Heimer, Barben Heimer has made,
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
and this is something
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
you know.
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
that
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
Like.
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
I’ve been saying for years. Like we’ve literally like witnessed the like slow, excruciating death of the mid budget film because unless it’s something big that you feel like you need to see on a big screen, no one fucking goes out to see it. So it just gets
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
Yeah.
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
dumped somewhere else, which is very interesting to think about while the fucking, the sag aftra and the
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
Yeah.
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
WGA fucking strike is going on right
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
Yeah,
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
now.
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
which guys, if you don’t know, we’re on the side of the strikers. We know, we know, you know we help and we support and we do anything to help them. So of course, we talk about all these things about the film. We don’t talk, fuck Warner Brothers and who put out Oppenheimer’s, that legendary?
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
universal.
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
Universal. It’s, I feel like it’s like, yeah, fuck them. But the people who made it is what we’re talking about here. That’s what’s important. The people who actually made the fucking
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
But
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
film.
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
it’s important to contextualize because you think about that in the back of your head with the way like actors and writers get screwed over when things go to streaming. And it kind of puts the like, I’ll just wait for it to hit streaming in a worse place.
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
a worse place. It makes you think about it. It makes you go, Oh, fuck. You know, like, you’re like, Oh, it’s one of those things that a lot of my friends will be like, well, why didn’t you pirate that movie? And it’s one of those things that we work in. You know, we went to film school, we, we work in this, like we do this. It’s one of those things that you feel bad sometimes
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
Mm-hmm.
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
not paying for it because you know what people put in to make this stuff happen. And it like sucks to like, for these guys not to get the money they should. And it sucks even further when a studio is hoarding that money and not giving it to the people actually making shit. So,
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
Yeah.
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
so even worse, you know, like, so hopefully these guys can get on a, on a, on a fucking, you know, uh, a deal soon and a good one instead
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
So it’s
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
of
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
good
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
just
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
when
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
bullshit.
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
a double feature like this rolls around as sort of like the internet’s favorite new gimmick. Because that does bring people in, like for better
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
And
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
or worse, like it’s fun.
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
to tie into the sag, both of these movies absolutely sh-tacked. I would say that’s the real fucking tie through both these movies. I literally, the entirety of both these movies, I was like, that guy’s in this movie? What the shit? Like both Barbie and Oppenheimer, I was sitting there going, oh my god, what are they doing here? You know? You’re like, holy
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
Yeah,
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
shit. Like.
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
just like they both it’s like one or the other like Oppenheimer got all the actors in Hollywood and Barbie got
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
right?
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
the ones that they forgot Just like
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
Seriously.
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
they got so like they both got Collectively, they got all the actors
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
and all the actors and I mean it’s I think it’s fantastic and it’s also one of those things where you’re like hey none of these guys were being compensated fairly for this so you think about that
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
which is
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
you know
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
especially
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
like you know like
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
annoying for something like Barbie because Barbie could have very much have been a very fun but disposable film
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
Yeah.
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
based on, you know, what’s essentially a doll, just like an IP type movie.
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
Mm-hmm.
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
In the same way that like, before you knew who the creative team was behind the Lego movie, you’re like, oh, a Lego movie? I
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
Yeah, you’re like, Lego?
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
don’t know about that. But then you get Lord and Miller on it. With Barbie, you get Greta Gerwig and Noah Baumbach as a co-writer. So you’re like,
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
There’s a big difference when that shit happens and you have like a monster hunter movie and all of a sudden you hear Paul W.S. Anderson is attached and you’re like, don’t you fucking do it again, you son of a bitch. You son of a bitch, you stay away. Like,
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
Oh god, he’s three for three now
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
yeah, that motherfucker can leave, like I say this lightly, leave Hollywood.
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
Heheheheh!
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
You know, like stop making video game adaptions, you motherfucker.
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
Make all the movies you want, but you keep away from my fucking video games.
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
Right? That’s
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
You’ve had
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
all.
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
three
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
Like,
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
strikes.
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
just make other movies, man. Like, you obviously have a great filmmaking aesthetic and feel. Just stay away from my fucking video games, my
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
Mm-hmm.
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
man. But besides the point, let’s go to Barbie, guys. I’m obviously Ken Dup. I got my roses on. I had a chain for Ken for going to the premiere. I wore chains, a bunch of rings. I wore my jorts, I fucking got kenned up for Barbie and then of course I’m by myself and I was like
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
Yeah
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
in a small New Hampshire theater and I definitely got the full Barbie experience where I was like I feel self-conscious and
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
Yeah
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
mostly because I think these bigoted white New Hampshire people might a gay man, you know, like, and I’m like, and I’m not gay. I just, you’re like, I definitely look it right now. I’m like,
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
Yeah…
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
and I was like, I was like, ah, I was like, I was like, I’m getting the full experience here and, and
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
How fun is it?
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
not fun.
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
It would
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
I
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
definitely
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
was like,
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
make
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
this
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
you more
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
is a
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
empathetic.
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
cool. Yes, I
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
You’re
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
was
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
just
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
like,
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
like,
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
oh my,
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
ohhhhh. Oh. Oh, that
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
oh,
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
sucks.
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
that fucking sucks. And they
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
I-
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
even say the line in Barbie, she’s like, I’m conscious, but of myself. Yeah, and you’re just like and you’re like that is that looks like it’s such like a funny line, but it also
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
Yeah,
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
is like
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
and also the like, I definitely feel a threat of violence. You’re like,
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
Yeah
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
huh?
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
Yeah, I love that i’m feeling no threat of violence
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
Hehehehehehe
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
like
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
I can’t even remember what I wore, but I definitely don’t own anything pink
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
Hehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehe
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
at all. Like, most of my shirts are black, for better or worse.
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
Oh
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
So,
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
man,
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
I definitely
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
you didn’t
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
dress
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
even
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
for
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
get cut
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
one
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
up.
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
and not the other.
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
Yes. Did you, did you get, uh, did you at least have an open timer hat or did you, uh, just, uh, wear the cabbie?
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
I don’t think I was wearing the cabaret, I think I just went and just whatever I decided
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
Nice.
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
to throw on. I almost
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
Eh.
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
bought a I Survived Barbenheimer 2023 shirt, where it’s like in the Barbie logo, and it shows like a little pink mushroom cloud in the background,
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
Oh my god.
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
but I knew it wasn’t going to show up in time.
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
Oh man, that’s too funny though. I really enjoyed my theater experience. I did have, I did didn’t want to be this guy, but there was like two aunties who came in later and they were, they came in like 10 minutes late and then they came and they were, it took forever to find their seat which was next to me and then they then had a conversation, started to have a conversation about how hard it was to get to their seat. after struggling for so long, and I became that guy where I was just like… And I had to
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
I
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
shush
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
am-
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
these aunties as the bearded guy sitting in the corner by himself. I’m just like,
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
I am
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
I’m
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
very
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
like,
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
much
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
ma’am,
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
like much
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
there’s
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
more inclined,
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
cinema!
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
I am much more inclined to shush people when I go to the movies on my own, which is most of the time. When I’m with
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
I know.
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
people, I don’t wanna be perceived.
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
Yes.
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
When I’m on my own, I’ll tell anyone to shut up.
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
I was like, I was like, I don’t want to be this guy. I even had the thought I’m like, I don’t want to be this guy, but they won’t shut the fuck up. And I’m like, this is Barbie, like shut up.
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
Also, for the record, I know like you were considering going to the Coolidge to see them again with me. You could
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
Yeah.
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
have.
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
Yeah,
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
There were plenty,
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
cause there
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
there
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
was
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
were…
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
no seats when I looked on the
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
Yeah,
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
website.
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
there were, but there were still people just straight up going to the box office physically and getting tickets like there.
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
That’s crazy.
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
Like, there were empty seats next to me. Like, it was still full up in the movie, in the first movie house, like that, the big one.
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
Oh yeah.
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
And Barbie was the one upstairs. But you totally could have come in. I’m sure they
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
Huh,
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
probably just sold
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
that’s
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
that
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
wild.
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
online. Yeah.
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
That’s wild, cause it literally wouldn’t even load up the seating chart. It just said, sold out, sold out. And I did it for like all the showings and like to make sure it wasn’t just a glitch. And
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
Yeah,
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
I was like, okay,
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
I was thinking
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
what
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
that because
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
the?
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
I was in line just like because they do like the they put out the sign You’re like if you’re lined up for these movies stay out here for now so we can bring you all in at the same time
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
Oh, that’s nice.
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
And even when I was waiting for that, I saw like a couple like old folks just walking up to the box office We take it for a penheimer So
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
It’s
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
you
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
too
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
would
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
funny.
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
have been fine
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
Okay. I did see it again. So it was packed when I saw Barbie and Oppenheimer opening day for showings, which was crazy because it was, you know, a Thursday afternoon. And then I saw it again this past Wednesday at like an eight o’clock show. Absolutely fucking packed. Absolutely packed. Barbie is fucking selling seats, baby. Like because it’s a- The other thing they did with this, and I think this is the real genius, is it’s a friend event. You get a group of friends together to go see both of these movies, or at least Barbie.
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
Mm-hmm.
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
And I think that that’s the fun that’s going on. And I think that that’s what’s really selling these tickets and what’s gonna make Barbie one of the fucking highest selling movies of the fucking year. You’re like, holy shit. Like, you’re like, holy shit. But, okay. Barbie though, sorry, I keep talking about them together. Barbie, great. So I think on surface, a lot of people are gonna, there’s a lot of, it’s a lot of things that might piss you off, like when you’re first looking at it, I think. I think a lot of people, like the right wing, it gets really fucking pissed about this, of course.
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
Yeah,
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
I
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
you’re fuckin’
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
literally watched this movie and I had a moment where the hype- And I’ve never thought this before in my life, but I was like, Ben’s beer’s gonna fucking hate that. And I was right, because I walked
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
consider
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
out of the movie
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
that
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
theater.
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
great advertisement.
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
Right? It’s
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
If
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
great
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
Ben Shapiro’s
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
advertising!
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
gonna hate it then see it as soon as fucking possible.
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
And then literally that night I saw his review, Ben Shapiro destroys Barbie. And you’re like, Oh, okay, dude. You know, like, first off, he’s not, he’s no fucking film critic. The man is, is terrible at film criticism and, and literally couldn’t fucking like decipher a fucking plot. If it, if it fucking, if it just can’t, he just can’t do it. And, and, but also there’s a lot of like, there’s a lot of just terrible analysis of it because they’re seeing this very surface level thing that’s going on there and they’re not seeing what’s the real message here. Because I think when you actually look at this movie, because it seems like, you know, like, oh, they, the Bart, you know, they, they bring it, they bring back. patriarchy and it completely destroys the Barbies and you’re like, you’re like, you’re like, holy What the fuck and you know, like and then the cans take over and they then they get pushed down, you know like and it’s kind of like one of those things that you’re like you’re like so What are they trying to say here? And then why are they trying to say with the ending? Which I felt was kind of sloppy when I first watched it and now that i’ve seen it twice I don’t think the ending’s as sloppy as I thought it was.
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
Mm-hmm.
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
It still has some very loose ends, and I think that that’s the real mess of this movie, is the ending. But I think before that, and even, but even the ending has purpose, you know? Like it has a lot of purpose there, because really what this movie’s about is that like, sure, look at this first wave feminism, that doesn’t work, you know? Like, oh, look. This is just patriarchy being replicated with none of like the societal standpoints. And that didn’t work. And then what is the real message here is finding out who you are, who the person next to you is, like actual human connection and learning who you are as a person. And then finding out what makes you a real… man, woman, person, you
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
individual.
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
know, like individual, you know, like, and that’s what that ending is all about, I think, is kind of great, is that like this whole movie about like dolls being thrust into this world of, they lived in this kind of like the idealized, just kind of fun land,
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
Mm-hmm.
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
and then it gets completely destroyed in an instant. And it’s kind of one of those things where you’re like, those things don’t stand up without realizing who you are. You know, like none of these things stand up without realizing who you are as a person and what you were made for and what you are supposed to do, you know,
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
Mm-hmm.
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
like, and you’re sitting there being like, the fuck, Barbie, at the end of the movie?
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
Hahaha!
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
Because like, Cause you’re sitting there like, think like that’s the type of shit that is happening at the end of the fucking movie. And you’re just like, what the fuck? Because like it starts off so like doing stereotypical like I would say this movie would be an animated movie if Margot Robbie didn’t take over. Like you know, like in a way this movie plays a lot like an animated movie. And I think that that’s what’s so also fun about it. You know, like is that the people are acting out this very like animated.
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
Mm-hmm.
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
movie type of plot. And, but also, it’s constantly contemplating what, you know, what, what it means to be sorry, it’s kind of complicated, but it’s like it’s constantly contemplating what it means to be a property in a capitalist society, what it means to be commodifying every little bit of you, what it means to basically not exist and then what is that? And also what it means to, what your role. as a man and a woman in a relationship is, but also does that even matter sort of thing? And it’s like one of those things that
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
Also,
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
that’s the reason why they’re so pissed about this movie
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
like
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
is it
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
also
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
kind of destroys
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
whether
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
all that
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
or not
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
shit.
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
it’s healthy to idolize what is essentially product like
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
Yeah.
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
a commodity like that’s always going to be like a pressing debate just like hmm should our heroes be all these fictional characters.
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
And that’s what I think is funny about this movie. I’ve seen a lot of criticism. I don’t know if you’ve seen this article, they’re like, I hated, baby. And it was in like the Atlantic or something. And it was like, and it was just like, they hated how commercial it was. And I just was like, you didn’t fucking see the movie. Like you didn’t, you didn’t fucking
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
You must
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
watch
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
have
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
this
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
walked-
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
movie.
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
you must have like
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
You,
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
walked out at the first third.
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
like that’s the thing is a lot of people I think are taking, I said it earlier, just taking this. movie on base, you know, like taking the way it happens on base and that is not it. You know, like I think what’s on base is what’s fun and okay for, you know, the Mattel, you know, like it’s okay for them to say that thing. But what Greta is fucking getting at on the second layer constantly is what makes this movie worth watching, you know, like, and makes this like kind of movie you’re like holy shit
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
I am very glad it didn’t fall into traps that I was worried about with those initial trailers. Like,
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
Yeah.
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
the moment that they introduced the plot point of just like, oh, Barbie and Ken are gonna go to the real world, huh? Why do we fucking do this every single time we make one of these types of movies? And thankfully, that actually doesn’t really cover too, too
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
No,
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
much.
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
it’s very like, it moves very fast through the real world, and it’s very much like just culture shock for
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
It
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
Barbie
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
also,
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
and Ken, you know?
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
yeah, and it also like keeps kind of the fish out of water stuff to a minimum. Like we don’t really need, like we’ve all seen those. And
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
Yes.
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
I also, and I like that the entire movie sort of has that attitude. Like the way
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
Yes.
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
it’s just like, whatever, you can travel from the, from Barbie land to the real world. It doesn’t matter. We
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
It
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
don’t
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
doesn’t
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
need
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
matter.
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
to explain it. So all of, so we can all agree, all of us have seen a fucking movie in here.
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
Ehehehehehe
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
Okay. Let’s go.
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
And that’s my thing is like I feel like she’s it’s almost like a four like a lot of like fourth wall breaking and a lot of the attitude that’s going on you know like it’s not really like saying anything breaking the fourth wall but like the attitude of like of everything that weird Barbie does basically is like a big like what let’s move this thing along you know sort of stuff like her having a full map of Barbie land her knowing the exact way to go to the reality. You know, like, like all these like funny things that you’re like, Oh, are all right, you know.
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
or like the actual literal foreflaw breaking moment with Helen Mirren as the narrator. When like Barbie’s
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
I know
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
like, I’m so
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
I lost
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
ugly
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
it both
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
now. And her being like, note to Warner Brothers, like Margot Robbie’s the worst person to cast if you want to try and make this kind of point.
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
Which is super funny because Margot Robbie produced this movie, you know, like, and she
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
Mm-hmm.
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
talks about how she didn’t she told Greta she didn’t want to She didn’t have to be Barbie. She didn’t have to be there could be another Barbie. It’s like and Greta was like no I’m writing this for you. So and you’re
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
I mean…
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
like, hell yeah No, you should
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
That was like, that was sort of like the immediate thing. Even before we knew anything about this movie, it was just like, oh, one of the brothers is gonna try to do a Barbie movie with Mark Aravie. Your first ink sink is like, yeah,
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
Yeah,
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
that seems about right.
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
yeah, that’s right. That you’re like, yeah, very, very right. Like I love also the attitude in this movie of stereotypical Barbie. Like they’re like, no, this is the Barbie you think about when you think about Barbie. Like we don’t have to go any deeper than that. Like we don’t have to like be like, oh, this is a very specific Barbie from the sixties or seventies. They’re like, no, no. Like this is stereotypical Barbie, you know?
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
I’m also
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
And
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
glad,
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
you’re like, okay.
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
and I’m sure it’s because it’s a matter of like, Barbie as a brand has never been in trouble.
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
Nyeh.
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
But it is really funny that Mattel like, let them get away with so much, especially referencing
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
Hehehe
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
like, some of their weirder products that they made over the years. It’s like, yeah, that’s real. Like,
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
That’s
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
I love
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
real.
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
that the ending credits are just like, here’s all these real Barbies
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
Barbies
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
that the characters you met are actually based on. Yes, even the really weird and fucked up ones were a thing.
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
Yes, so funny. And I, it’s like one of those things that I think that this, this is a good crowd pleasing movie too, because I think it works as a younger kids movie while staying with very adult themes the entire time, you know, like does not break from them is trying to tackle these things the entire time. But I would still say I saw a lot of young girls going to see this and I, and they all seem to enjoy it, you know, like every single person walking out of the theater seemed to have a good time. And I heard many people being like, that was great. You know, like, that was so funny. You know, like, it’s like,
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
I definitely,
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
I think this is a crowd pleaser.
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
the audience I was with was definitely having a grand old time
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
Yeah.
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
with it when I went to go see it at the Coolidge. Like, laughing, laughing at like every joke. Like, being way too excited. In a good way, obviously.
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
Yeah
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
That’s just me being just so like, yeah, hmm, yes, pleasant.
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
Um, yes. Um,
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
You
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
yes. Hahahaha
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
should fucking see me at concerts. Like, I’m not the one who’s bumping, I’m just like, hmm, yes, pleasant
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
Yes!
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
to my ears. because I’m just not that energetic a person. It’s really funny. Just like, I am
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
Uh,
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
enjoying myself, I swear.
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
I am enjoying do not do not worry. I’m having a good time Uh,
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
Yes.
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
I yeah, everyone was having a good time in my first showing and the second show I got barbie. Um, and
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
but I think what you’re trying to get at is just like that idea of like even for a movie like this there can still be that little something something.
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
guess.
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
In the same way that like yeah the Lego movie would still be great if it was just about the laughs and it was just about the gags but it’s pushed that little bit further by that ending with that confrontation with the with the boy and his father like
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
Yep.
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
there’s that little bit there like
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
No, is that
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
the
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
a little
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
big
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
bit?
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
speech from America for era’s character in this pushes it that little bit further, it’s just like, yeah,
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
Everyone
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
which I know.
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
brings up the America Ferrera speech. Everybody I’ve seen that’s watched Barbie has brought up that. I didn’t, that didn’t like fully blend with me. You know, like I thought that was very good, but I didn’t like, but everyone seems to love it. So I’m not, I’m not hating on it. I just like,
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
Here’s-
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
I wasn’t, it was a scene that went by me and then everyone else loved it. And I was kind of like.
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
Okay.
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
Oh, good. I was like,
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
Yeah.
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
oh, cool. Like I liked it too. I just didn’t think it, like everybody I’ve talked to has brought up that speech.
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
Yeah.
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
And I’m like, I’m like, oh damn,
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
It’s
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
okay.
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
one of those things where I’ve seen the criticism towards it, even like actual like healthy criticism,
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
Yeah.
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
not just people
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
Yes!
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
just being dicks of just like, isn’t it kind of a little on the nose? Where I’m just, from my perspective, it’s like, well, sometimes things need to be hammered hard because you
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
Yes.
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
don’t seem to fucking get it when we try to do it subtly.
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
So I think that there’s two real criticisms to that speech. I think that is a, and Mary said this about that speech, is it’s kind of a people pleaser speech. Like if you’re a people pleaser person, that’s a speech for you, you know, like, because like you don’t, like, if you’re not, if you don’t care about pleasing people, like I’m sure you don’t, D’Shawn, okay? You know, like that, you’re kind of like, I don’t understand, but I get it, you know? Like,
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
Yeah,
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
you’re
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
which
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
like,
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
is where I’m at
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
you’re
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
with
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
like.
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
it.
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
Yeah, and I feel that Mary was the same way. She was like, she but she was like, that’s more for people pleasers. So, you know, like, it’s not some people just don’t give a shit. You know, like, and you’re kind of like, yeah, totally. You know, like that makes a lot of sense. Like,
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
Which is,
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
but
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
which is
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
there’s
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
definitely
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
a lot of people
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
true,
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
that struggle
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
but that doesn’t,
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
with it, you
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
but that
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
know,
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
doesn’t
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
like.
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
mean like, because you have people who are people pleasers, but that doesn’t mean there’s also that not like
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
Yeah.
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
societal pressure whispering in your ear constantly through like marketing and popular
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
Right?
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
culture and like,
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
Just everything
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
yeah, and just like.
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
telling you to be something else, you
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
Yeah,
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
know, like
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
when you’re
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
and
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
like just raised around it and what is essentially like a heteronormative like society, especially given the US.
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
Yeah, and I think they I feel like they’re really talking about that especially with Ken having the I’m Ken enough at the end and it’s kind of like I think that it’s like kind of a really healthy ending for Ken you know like I think it’s
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
I mean,
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
actually a really
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
I’m gonna…
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
healthy outcome you
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
I’m
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
know
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
not gonna
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
like
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
say
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
it’s
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
that Ryan Gosling stole the show
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
He
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
in
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
still-
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
this
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
yeah.
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
movie, because
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
But he may
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
everyone’s
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
have.
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
really good in this,
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
Everyone’s
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
but
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
really-
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
oh my fucking god, Ryan Gosling was the best part about this movie to me.
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
Yeah, I’m sorry. Everyone knows that every man has a man crush on Ryan Gosling. They just knew that doing this movie.
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
Yeah.
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
I think, you know, like,
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
And I
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
and
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
think,
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
I think that
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
um.
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
that’s what, I think that that’s another reason why this is a people
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
And
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
pleaser
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
I also think
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
is Ryan
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
that…
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
Gosling is so fucking good in this.
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
And I
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
You
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
also
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
know,
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
think
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
like.
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
general audiences forget that Ron Gosling is funny.
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
Yes.
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
Because
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
And
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
I think we
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
musically
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
think we-
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
talented and an extremely
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
Yeah.
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
fun actor.
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
I think we associate him
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
With
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
too
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
stage
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
much
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
presence.
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
with stuff like Drive or
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
Yep.
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
The Notebook or like La Land where he tends to play either like stoic characters or like stick in the mud characters
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
Yes.
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
and we don’t think about stuff like some of the things he did in his early career
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
Like Lars and the real girl.
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
or like the
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
And…
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
nice guys but the nice guys didn’t really do that well at the box office
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
Yep.
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
but that he’s really funny in that, that has like that like Shane Black cleverness.
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
Yes,
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
Like
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
and
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
he can
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
I think
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
do
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
that-
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
both. He has more reigns than I drive.
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
He’s absolutely fantastic in this movie. I think first off, I think Margot Robbie is, made me cry in this movie and she’s fantastic in this. But I think that Ryan Gosling is amazing. The entire reason to see this movie, fuck all my pretentious film criticism, fuck all that. This is the real review. His angry dancing is why you need to have
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
Hehehehehehe
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
your butt in the seat, you know, like him. Angry dancing towards Barbie during the Duleepa bespoke song scene is so fucking funny. And then the whole Ken fight at the end is incredible. Them doing basically 300 on the beach is
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
Yeah.
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
so fucking funny to me, you know, like, because they literally do the shot. Like they do the boats land. Everyone comes out and sort of like Normandy ish. But then they do the shot from 300 where you see Xerxes from very fucking far away
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
Uh-huh.
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
and it’s Simon Lucan and you’re just like, holy shit.
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
It’s um…
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
Which also, by the way, another show stealer. He absolutely steals this show,
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
And
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
you
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
he’s not
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
know?
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
in
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
Like,
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
it much.
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
no he’s not. But I think it’s, he also has one of the best Ryan Gosling lines from him when they’re like… They’re like, don’t tell Ken about this. And they’re like, Ken’s not cool. And he at least is to me.
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
Hehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehe
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
I fucking lost it about that every both times. I fucking love that line. I’m just like, oh my God. And I
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
It’s
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
kind
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
funny too,
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
of.
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
because it’s not the only like, I won’t say pot-shot, but like, haha, towards Zack
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
Yeah!
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
Snyder, because you get like the 300 thing, which is a little more subtle. Like,
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
Yeah, a
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
you
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
little
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
would
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
more
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
know,
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
subtle.
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
but then the fight, the actual just like slight, the joke for the Snyder cut was really fucking funny.
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
I suddenly cared so much about this
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
Snyder’s Justice League
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
Which
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
and Yeah,
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
you’re like oh my god this is from Warner Brothers you’re like what the fuck is going on here
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
it’s so funny that like because for better or worse Because you and I like that movie and
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
And
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
we
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
yes.
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
also like Zack Snyder as a filmmaker
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
Yes.
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
But because
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
But
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
the
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
we
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
fucking
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
can…
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
Snyder cut fanboys are so rabid and annoying we have
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
Yes.
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
to clarify that we’re not fucking nuts
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
I can, so I will say is that that’s the toxic masculinity that they’re trying to address there,
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
Yeah.
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
you know? Like this toxicity instead of just fandom, you know, where you switch from being like, wow, I’m so excited to see this movie. I’m so glad it’s happening to turning into like hurting people and doxxing people and just being general assholes online. is the shit they’re addressing, not
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
Mm-hmm.
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
the actual, like guys, if you’re upset that they brought up the Zack Snyder cut during the movie, they’re not saying the Zack Snyder cut’s bad, they’re saying you caring so much about getting that Snyder cut is the problem, you know,
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
Yeah.
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
like being toxic about it is the issue, you know, like you’re just like, and that’s
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
And of
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
kind
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
course, like,
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
of a lot
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
this-
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
of what’s going on here,
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
and
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
don’t
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
the cynical
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
be fucking
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
side of
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
toxic.
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
me, the cynical side of me definitely laughed at like, Yeah, we brought Ken to the real world and he spent one day in the real world and like brought all this stupid shit back with him. Just like, yeah, that seems
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
Right,
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
about right.
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
right, scenes are all right, scenes are all right. But I do like that there’s no real villain here. That like, Ken comes back and he’s just kind of retaliating against Barbie, you know? Like it is just being like, please can I have your attention Barbie still?
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
Yeah, there’s
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
You
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
no
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
know,
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
like
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
like,
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
straight villain, but he
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
yeah.
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
does like fulfill that antagonistic role
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
Yeah.
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
In the second half, which is great and i’m glad like none of the trailers gave that away
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
Yeah, exactly.
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
like all
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
They
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
the trailers
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
just like, played
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
really
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
it
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
just
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
up for
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
like
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
fun.
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
stuck to like Going to the real world a little bit of like meeting the mattel board and that’s pretty much it They didn’t give anything away as far as like the other stuff, which is
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
Yes.
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
great because I was hoping that there would be a turn
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
And yeah, I do I do enjoy the turn, you know, like I’d like I like that It’s just this stupidity, but I also love the lines during it Like they’re like them being like, you know when I found out that like horses are just extension of manhood
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
It’s like honestly I lost all interest in patriarchy when I found out that it wasn’t solely about horses.
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
I love
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
Which
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
that
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
is such-
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
shit
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
which is also perfect because like, that’s that like- all the Kens act like young boys.
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
Yes,
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
Like that
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
and.
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
sort of single-minded, sometimes they don’t know any better, but just like, I’m really into this one thing, dammit.
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
I will say the him taking over the Modo Dojo casa house is works on many levels because I it’s the way your younger brother steps in and plays with your Barbies, you know, like sort of thing where it’s like they step in, they take over and they become the main characters when you know, the bigger sisters been the main character the entire time with her Barbie, you know,
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
Mm-hmm.
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
like and that becomes the like. the contention there, so it’s like, it’s a very classic play thing going on there. It’s also Ken trying to show Barbie, he is cool, you know, like, you could lose me, you know? Like, it’s so insecure, it’s so like, you could lose me, Barbie, I’m way cooler, you know? Like,
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
Mm-hmm.
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
it’s, you know, don’t be so secure about having me, Barbie, you know, sort of thing going on. And even the songs they sing at, you know, I wanna push you around. Well, is such a needy song, you know, like it’s such like a perfect song cuz it implies violence But all it is really is super needy
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
I mean it also just, it just boils down to men who need therapy.
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
Yeah, yeah, you’re like, hey,
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
It just
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
a
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
kind of
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
little
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
comes
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
bit of therapy.
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
back to that. Just like, uh, no, your potential partner isn’t there to fix your life.
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
Yeah,
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
To like,
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
and
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
fix
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
not
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
your
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
there
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
issues.
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
for you either, you know, like all the time, you know, it’s just like, they don’t have to fix everything about you. Not everything does. You’re like, paint drag, you won’t fix it. Neither will Barbie, you know, like you have to find out who you are, Ken. And I was like, wow, that’s a That’s a healthy fucking ending for Ken there, you know, like they, I know a bunch of, you know, like I know Ben Shapiro was just like, they just leave this man and he was able to take over all of Barbie Land. You’re like, shut up. You’re like, shut your goddamn mouth. You misunderstood this completely. Like, just like shit. But I will say, I was saying my criticism of the ending of this movie, cause I think the beginning’s genius. I think it brings you in. It feels great the entire time. It definitely slows down when they go to Barb, when they go to the real world, but in very short chunks, you know, they move very fast, they keep it fun, you know, like, but I will say it’s kind of like, the real problem is the ending. And I think that’s where the real true criticism for me comes in, is that I think it’s a little messy. I think there’s a lot being said about the ending, but I think that 10, you know, like, basically the Ken’s being not in a better place other than Ken, you know, like the Barbies are back in power and haven’t actually changed anything, so nothing’s really changed, so it’s like Mattel’s happy, you know, and that’s what they’re saying there, like that’s what they’re saying is like Mattel’s happy, but it’s kind of one of those things where you’re like, what? You know, like, and America Ferrera just gets to come up with a Barbie that’s insanely popular, but that’s the end of her character story other than she gets to be with her daughter a bunch. It’s kinda… I… I
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
I felt
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
think
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
like the
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
it
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
subplot
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
doesn’t go far enough sometimes.
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
between her and her daughter felt kind of underdeveloped.
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
Yes, I think that that’s what I’m saying here
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
Yeah.
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
is that like there’s the there’s kind of these loose top ends not really loose ends because everything’s sort of addressed at the ending um but even the script says it they’re like well what about barbie’s ending everyone’s has their ending and you’re just like you’re like yeah but none of those endings were very satisfactory you know like you’re like you’re
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
I
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
like
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
get
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
wait
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
the idea
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
a minute
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
of them sort of going back to the sasquoia because they’re not people aside
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
It
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
from
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
wanna
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
the
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
buy
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
main
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
Barbies.
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
ken that we
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
Yeah.
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
follow. We’re pretty much happy
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
Yeah,
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
with
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
right?
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
where they were. And there is that glimmer of just like, now you guys can find your own thing.
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
Yeah.
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
Maybe not necessarily have one or the other, but you guys can find what you need on your own after the fact.
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
And I get the joke of like, she came up with a Barbie and it’s insanely popular, but they don’t even solve the Mattel issue of the all male board, which felt like it was an issue and they just don’t deal with it at the end. You know, like it just feels like it’s just kind of like, you know, like,
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
Yeah, I figured they were gonna like, promote America Ferrera’s character or something,
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
Yeah!
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
and like bring her on the board.
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
right? I’m just like, I’m like something, you know, like, and that’s, that’s what I’m saying here is that I think there’s this ending has a lot of meaning, especially with Barbie becoming real and going to the gynecologist, you know, I feel like
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
which
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
there’s
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
was
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
a
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
hilarious.
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
lot of meaning.
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
Great
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
It’s hilarious,
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
payoff to that joke.
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
but it’s a hilarious joke, but it’s also
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
I’m also-
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
dripping with meaning, you know, like I feel like and
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
I’m also glad that they telegraph that she’s going to a job interview and it’s just
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
Yeah.
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
a gynecology appointment because I feel like any job you would potentially give Barbie could potentially be problematic from just a societal
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
Yeah.
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
standpoint. So just to not even have that conversation at all, it’s just like, oh, just have her be at an appointment
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
I did
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
because
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
think
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
depending
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
maybe…
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
on what job you give her would probably rub people the wrong way.
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
Yeah, my thing was maybe that she was going to go in to work as creating Barbies, you know, like that’s
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
Mm.
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
what I thought what was gonna happen there, you know, like, and, but that was not what they went for the joke and like, I do like the joke and I
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
Yeah,
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
love the
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
but
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
meaning
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
then even,
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
of it.
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
but that’s
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
But
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
sort of the issue. Like if you have her
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
yeah.
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
work at Mattel as like maybe like a conceptualist, then she’s still kind of working under like the big board
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
Yes.
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
of stupid men up top. So that’s not satisfying enough.
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
Yeah.
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
If you have her like join the board or take over, it’s just like, well, she doesn’t need to join the board to take over
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
yeah
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
to prove herself. So that doesn’t work. So that’s why I’m glad they just avoided saying
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
they
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
what her
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
void
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
profession
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
it yeah
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
is in
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
fair
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
general.
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
enough
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
Just like whatever.
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
fair enough
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
She’s just a person, she went to an appointment, because I feel like there’s kind of a no-win scenario there. Like
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
Yeah.
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
the moment you’re like, she’s going into the real world, you’re still going into the real world with a lot of fucking problems in the way we treat women.
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
Yes.
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
So either way, you’re kind of fucked.
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
Yeah, I agree. And I think that’s what they’re trying to say there, you know, like at the very end, like the cognitive dissonance, you know, like being a real woman is so big and wide that even the Barbies who have never been women are instantly snapped out of their trance when they hear how big of the cognitive dissonance is.
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
Mm-hmm.
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
Because at first when I saw that I was like I was like, so you just state things to these fake Barbies and they snap out of it. It seems too easy. Like even Alan didn’t even get to like have a great moment other than kicking everyone’s ass. I thought Alan might be smart or something like that. But they were like, nah, nah. Like they were
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
Yeah,
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
just
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
it’s
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
like.
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
interesting because Alan seems to be like the only one, even before Barbie and Ken, to have some sort of semblance of self-awareness.
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
Yeah, right? Like, he understands what’s going on sort of thing, and you’re just
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
Just
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
like…
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
like, fucking people who buy Barbies barely care about the cans. What do you fucking think that puts me?
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
Hehehehe I think my main two criticisms is this basically this kind of messy ending, but I feel like the ending has a lot of meaning and they’re doing a lot with it. But also some of the pacing once were in the real world and moving off and the underdeveloped
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
Yeah, which
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
relationship
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
is like,
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
with the mom.
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
it’s all because it’s a tough subject.
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
Yeah!
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
That’s that’s the thing. Like you can’t it’s going
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
And
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
to it
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
that’s
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
would be
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
a-
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
really hard to end this movie and be like, I did it. I solved sexism.
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
Yes, yes, I
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
I fixed it.
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
Yes, I so okay So my criticism to this is that like because that’s the thing is like when I’m saying that I’m taught. I’m trying it’s kind of like Expecting good salads from McDonald’s you’re like this is motherfucking McDonald’s my brother
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
Yeah.
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
You know like you know like this is not it’s Barbie. This isn’t supposed to fix fucking any shit you know like this is just supposed to In my way, I think that you were like, you know, that you were saying America for Errors, putting it out there very bluntly. Some people have never heard this type of shit before in their lives. You know, that’s why it’s important to say this in this movie, you know? Like some people have never fucking thought about this, you know, like it may seem simple,
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
and
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
but
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
if
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
there’s
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
probably-
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
lots of men who have never had sisters and they’ve only had moms and they just don’t fucking give a shit about their moms.
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
Or… or
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
So
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
even when
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
they
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
they…
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
don’t ever thought about this.
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
Yeah,
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
They’re terrible
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
or…
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
people, but they
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
or
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
never
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
even
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
thought
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
they’ve consumed…
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
about this.
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
or they’ve consumed media where like the message is there right in front of her fucking face played Not that supply and it’ll still
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
Yep.
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
go over their heads like the people who say Star Trek was never political
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
Oh my God, right? You’re like,
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
Just
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
are
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
like
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
you
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
Star
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
fucking
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
Trek
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
with me?
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
just why Star Trek so political now? NOW?
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
Now? The whole time, motherfucker! Like, whole motherfucker time!
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
So it’s one of those things where sometimes you can’t, sometimes even being subtle or making it metaphorical or not being so on the nose, sometimes that doesn’t help. Sometimes you need a fucking hammer to the nose.
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
Yes.
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
Just
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
And
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
like,
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
I think they
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
no,
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
do
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
just
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
a-
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
so we’re fucking clear since
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
And just so we’re
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
you wanna
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
fucking
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
deny
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
clear.
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
it otherwise.
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
And I think that that’s what’s really great here. But also, if you want a movie that’s really tackling the actual violence of men and the actual consequences of men’s actions against women, there’s a movie called Women’s Talking. It was up for Best Picture nomination last year. It’s fucking incredible. I recommend it. That’s the one you’re looking for. If you want something that deep, that strong, that great in voice, Women’s Talking was up for best picture and it didn’t win. You know, like, and it, look, it’s fucking incredible. I absolutely recommend that movie and might be a good companion piece to this movie afterward where you’re like, you’re like, that was kind of light. You’re like, well, want Feminism Dark? You know, like, you’re like, oh shit, Women Talking, you know, like, you’re like, oh no. Like, like that is far better at tackling those topics actually head on with real dialogue that feels truthful.
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
But
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
You know,
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
it is
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
like,
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
also nice that a movie like Barbie, which could have just been
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
can
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
a
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
do
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
nothing
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
this.
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
film, at least, will have the conversation.
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
And to put in a little bit of our like pre-production knowledge into this, it did. If you look back at the history of the Barbie movie, there was a whole Barbie movie with Amy Schumer before. They were literally up to shooting it before studio stepped in and shut it down. Basically what I’ve read and what I’ve been told about the movie is that it’s just kind of a straight up like. Barbie goes to the real world and has to fight what is sexism in the real world with Amy Schumer trying to be that. And I can see that not being funny because Amy Schumer’s not funny. That’s the real difference here.
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
I could see never seeing that,
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
Yes, exactly.
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
if that was the movie we got.
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
Exactly. I think that Greta Gerwig, Margot Robbie can deliver a lot more and can say a lot more than just a weird rom-com Barbie movie. You know, like I’m sure it would have done well, but this is not this is what actually fills seats. You know, like this is it, you know, like, come on. Actually, and it’s like it’s always funny when a movie that’s actually like well thought out. and has deeper meanings going on. And of course it does well with audiences. You know, like the studios are constantly being like, oh man, it might go above the audience’s head. They’re like, audiences love deeper shit. So shut up. Like, you know, like
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
Mm-hmm.
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
nobody wants this like shallow Barbie movie from Amy Schumer. People want a deeper Barbie movie from Greta Gerwig, you know, like, and it worked, you know, like in a big way. I, I do think one of the strengths of this movie. was one of the weaknesses that I said about Across the Spider-Verse. I said Across the Spider-Verse had a soundtrack where they mention Spider-Man a lot and it feels kind of musically, like a musical, in that way, where they’re mentioning Peter Parker, they’re mentioning Miles, they’re mentioning Spider-Man, but they don’t use it in the movie as such. And I think that that’s, and that was my criticism for that movie, one of the only criticisms I had for that movie. But this movie actually leans into its musical love of musicals and kind of the fun of musicals here. It starts off with Lizzo doing a whole scene for the entrance, you know, hi Barbie, and then you have a complete choreographed to the Duleepa song for that. And then you still have Ryan Gosling. I’m just Ken later on. And also, Taiman Pala’s song is literally called Crossing Over into Reality that they play over the first time you crossed into reality. And you’re just like, okay, so you leaned into the actual music and you’re able to express feelings, moods, stuff that can’t get across in dialogue through the music. And I think that that’s what makes this that actual useful use always saying Barbie, you know,
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
Mm-hmm.
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
always saying what’s, you know, like they actually used it in the movie. It’s like it seemed like it was crafted around it instead of just like, oh yeah, mention, mention Peter Parker in that song, guys. Yeah, just so we could throw it in this movie, you know,
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
Yeah.
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
like that’s the difference, you know, like actually purposeful. I think they were very purposeful with the music in this movie, and I think that and it shows, you know, like, and I think that that’s what makes that elevates this movie that much more. You know, like, you know.
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
And I’m glad that Greta Gerwig’s like, I don’t fucking know. I’m not thinking about a sequel right now.
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
Good.
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
I don’t.
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
She said, I used up all my ideas. When I do any movie, I use up all my ideas. I’m like, Greta, I fucking love that.
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
Yeah,
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
You know,
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
that’s
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
like…
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
a mentality that we used to have because back in the day you were not immediately guaranteed a sequel.
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
Mm-hmm.
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
Which is why I’ve spoken about how like, I really like the Aquaman movie doing that. It’s just like,
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
Yeah.
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
it’s, is it kind of overstuffed? Yeah. But it is kind of nice. It’s just like, we may
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
It’s the
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
never,
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
big swing.
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
it’s like we
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
Like…
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
may never get a chance to do an Aquaman movie again. So we just fucking put everything
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
Hehehehe
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
in it. It’s the idea of like, why we do the weird thing in Batman 89 that we make. the Joker, the person who killed
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
Yeah.
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
Bruce’s parents, because we wanna make this a complete story in case we don’t get another chance to do
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
right?
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
another.
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
And you can’t build on it. It’s like you won’t have a second chance. This is it. Do it. Do the whole story, you know, like, and I like that. I like that attitude. So any final thoughts on Barbie before we move on to Oppenheimer?
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
Where was the Aqua song?
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
Where was, I mean, they had the Nicki Minaj’s version, but of course it’s not the same. It’s
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
No.
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
one of those things that, I do like this album a lot, the Barbie album. I have a lot of the music on my like playlist right now. And I like it a lot. The Charlie XX song is great. I’m not so much into the sadder songs other than I’m just Ken, of course. And mostly for the, Gene Kelly reference at that when they go and they dance battle against each other it feels very Gene Kelly and Frank Sinatra in oh man I forget in the movie but uh it feels like them you know like where it’s Simon Lu and John Gosling dance battling in that I feel like that’s one of the like one of my favorite parts of the movie first off and also it’s just like visually really fun
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
Mm-hmm.
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
But I also really loved Silver Platter by K-Lid, Journey to the Real World by Taemin Paula, and Speed Drive by CharlieXX. And of course, my new favorites, I’ve been listening to too much of their K-pop 50-50 doing Barbie Dreams. That shit’s fire. I know, I love 50-50. I’m sorry. I stand here in this house for them. But you know,
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
You don’t need to be…
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
great soundtrack.
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
Frank, you don’t need to be ashamed for liking K-pop because that’s another example of just like, No, I’m not supposed to like it because a lot of young girls do.
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
Yeah, and you’re like, uh, but, but it’s 50 jamming. Like I’m, I’m literally that Pat, that Patrick Bateman meme where they’re like him walking through the hall and like his headphones and it’s 50
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
Mm-hmm.
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
being like, and I’m just like, yeah, that’s me. Like, you know, like people see me speeding down the highway. They’re like, I bet he’s listening to metal and I’m just being like, and you’re like, okay. Like, uh, but I, I think that, uh, I think that a great soundtrack makes a movie live. even longer. You know, like, I feel like that’s it’s like, in some ways, for some reason, this movie, my like weird final thought on this movie, and Dachon, this might be crazy, just is this weird? Is this movie very Shrek like in a lot of ways? I feel like in some ways this movie follows in the footsteps of Shrek in a lot of ways where it’s like breaking down the fairy tales and it’s like and it’s like feels
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
No, it’s not a…
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
feels very adult at the same time as being made for kids,
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
Yeah,
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
you know,
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
that’s
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
the soundtrack.
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
not a bad comparison.
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
It’s weird to say, because you’re like, that’s not
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
I think
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
it,
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
it’s only
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
but…
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
weird to say because the internet has a really fucking weird thing about Shrek.
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
Yes!
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
That’s it. And their weird obsession with it makes me wanna never watch it again. But
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
It’s a great
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
it
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
movie. It’s a great fucking
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
is a good
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
movie.
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
movie, yeah.
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
One of those movies I remember seeing at theaters as a young kid and like I still, I saw it recently this year and we still loved it. I’m like, wow, this movie is still great. Two,
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
It was a bad
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
not so
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
influence
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
much.
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
on animated films going forward because we learned the wrong lessons from it, but yeah,
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
Yes.
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
it’s a good movie.
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
It’s a good movie. I feel like that happens with every great animated movie. All the other animated movies were like, so we do that?
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
Oh, you want to talk about learning the wrong lesson? I’m fucking sure that studios are going to try and like replicate this novelty with this double feature and try to do
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
Ah, oh
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
and try
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
yeah.
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
to do it themselves, but not let
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
They
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
it happen
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
already
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
organically
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
did with,
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
like this did.
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
they’re doing, what was it?
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
Oh,
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
Saw
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
the fucking Saw
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
X,
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
X with Paw Patrol.
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
yeah, so it’s Saw Patrol. And like,
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
Just
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
you’re
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
like,
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
just
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
no,
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
like,
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
guys, no.
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
you’re like, no, nobody is also going to Paw Patrol. And, but it’s one of those things that like, it’s such a joke too, because these two movies work well together. Even, even if they weren’t coming
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
unintentionally.
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
out on the same day, but like literally the parents who are going to see Paw Patrol can’t bring their kids to see Saw, you know? Like this isn’t like, this doesn’t work, you know? Like it’s not, the kids movie being included does not work with this, you know? Like you’re like, I’m sorry, it’s cool name, Saw Patrol, very cool, but it’s not gonna work. And I am worried about them trying to replicate this, but at the same time. If people go to some movies more, I’m fucking for it. You know,
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
Hmm.
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
like that’s all I’ll say.
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
But it is one of those
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
And…
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
things where like, when something happens organically versus where you try to force it on people.
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
Yes. To me, this feels, them trying to replicate it feels very much like them putting out Morbius for the third time, you know? Where you’re like, you fucking did not understand, motherfucker, you know?
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
Yeah.
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
You did not get it. Your algorithm is telling you you’re doing well and you’re not, you know? God damn. I still haven’t seen Morbius. I’m not gonna do that to myself. That’s all I’m saying.
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
I didn’t
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
I’m
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
even
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
just
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
watch
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
like…
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
Venom, what makes you think I’m gonna watch Morbius or fucking Craven?
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
Exactly, you just like keep me away. So, Barbie though, I think it, I think a lot of people who aren’t very good at reading what’s between the lines or what’s going on underneath might not enjoy Barbie as much, but might. I think that this is a very good movie. I
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
Yeah,
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
loved it. I would recommend
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
it was,
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
it to anybody. It was a lot of fun.
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
it is more or less what I hoped for
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
Yes.
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
when they said who the creative team was. Cause like a Barbie movie, that’s not really for me. A Barbie movie done by Greta Gerwig and Noah Bombach.
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
Yes.
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
It’s like, okay, what have you got? What’s up your sleeve?
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
So I will say the number one scene that made me cry about Barbie, I almost forgot to bring it up, is the her turning to the old lady and saying, you’re beautiful.
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
Mm-hmm.
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
And the old lady says, don’t I know it? And I fucking burst into tears. I was like, where the fuck did that come from?
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
Hahaha!
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
Fuck me! Like, I was just like, ah! Like, I, because all of a sudden that scene’s so fucking beautiful. First off, I want to break that scene down because it’s literally Barbie in the real world for the first time, not getting harassed. She’s finally having a chance to sit down. She’s looking around and she’s seeing real pain that is being caused, real pain and love being caused by people to each other. And
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
Mm-hmm.
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
she’s like seeing it. Like because the cans of the Barbies just work all well together and they have a good time so it’s the first time of her seeing this and she’s kind of like horrified but also in wonder of what’s going on and And it’s kind of this great like human experience Scene where they’re like showing off this like even in a park you can see this gigantic range of human emotion and experience and then for her to change turn and see this older woman and see the beauty in the wrinkles. Like the wrinkles tell a tale that she’s
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
Yeah.
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
been here for years and that she’s lived through it.
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
And it’s like
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
And
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
the scars
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
that,
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
physical
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
those wrink,
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
and emotionally and
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
right?
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
just like the experience like that makes up a person. The imperfections
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
and makes
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
make
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
it
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
up
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
beautiful.
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
a person. Yeah.
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
And then her to spit back the confidence is funny, but also it comes with a kind of knowledge that only age has, you know,
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
Mm-hmm.
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
like where you can see the beauty in everything, and especially in yourself and the years you’ve had and the life you’ve led. And I think that that’s… why I fucking broke down about that scene. I was like, fuck me. You know, like I was like, I was like, where did that come from? I was having a funny time. Like,
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
hahahaha
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
I was like, whoa, whoa. Like, and then they still got me later on, but I think that was the real scene that like broke me. And I was like, Jesus. I was like, that was something beautiful and amazing there, you know, like, and I had,
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
Yeah,
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
I
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
it’s
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
can’t.
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
the right amount of like, it’s a very simple but poignant scene.
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
And
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
Where
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
I guess
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
like,
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
she
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
you
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
fought
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
sort of
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
for
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
look
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
that.
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
beyond.
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
They were
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
Yeah.
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
like, cut this. And you can see that they could have cut it. Second watching of it, you can see that they could have just edited around it, just completely edited out that whole old lady scene. Oh, oh, it’s just not the same.
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
On pa-
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
That scene
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
yeah,
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
blew me backwards,
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
I know.
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
you know, like.
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
And it’s one of those things where like, I could see on paper people like, not quite getting it, especially when like, you gotta fuckin’ just trim this down.
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
Yep.
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
It’s not like, it’s not like a case for like, the first Wonder Woman film, where like, Warner Brothers wanted to cut the fuckin’ trench scene, just like, oh, you mean THE scene in the fucking
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
EAT
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
movie?
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
THE SCENE, YOU
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
Like,
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
DUMBASS!
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
THE set piece? Are you insane?
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
Ehehehehehe
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
Like, on paper I could see like, do we really need this? But it’s just one of those things where like, no, that’s a simple but poignant moment, which
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
And
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
is…
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
it’s a crux of it, I
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
Yeah.
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
feel like, you know? It’s what this movie is about in a lot of ways, because it is Barbie finding out what it means to be human in the real world instead of just being like,
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
What’s
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
oh,
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
the soul
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
we
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
and
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
saved
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
the spirit
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
everybody.
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
behind the plastic veil?
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
Yeah, fuck me, right?
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
Just
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
You’re
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
like, why are
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
just
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
we?
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
like.
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
It’s like the fact that we even have a type of conversation like this at all concerning the Barbie movie is a good sign.
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
Right? It’s a damn good sign. Now, guys, I loved it. I will give it. For me, I feel like it’s an eight out of 10. I feel like there is some messiness here, but I feel like this is a great movie. Absolutely go see it. I wanna own it. I wanna buy it. I want, like, absolutely go see this movie. I saw it twice already. I might go see it again. It’s that fun. It’s that… There’s so much to it that I feel like there’s more to see, you know, like, and, and that’s what I thought I would get out of open Heimer. So that’s funny that Barbie gave me that, you know, like the like, Oh, I need to go back and watch that again. You know, like, because usually I walk out of a Nolan film and I’m like, fuck, I didn’t take that all in, you know, like I gotta go back, you know, like, and I did, I do feel that way. But I feel like this is three hours. And after seeing Barbie, you’re kind of like, I feel that three hours. Like, I mean, you know, like, you’re like, I feel,
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
So
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
I…
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
you’re saying
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
It…
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
that I probably had the better idea of doing Oppenheimer first?
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
Yes, I wanted to do that. Oppenheimer first. I would say that’s my recommendation. To save yourself from the devastation of Oppenheimer, you need to go see Barbie after.
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
Like go see Oppenheimer, do what I did. I did Oppenheimer, left the theater briefly to get something to eat, just to like
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
hehe
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
unwind a little bit. And then Barbie was just the cool down. Even though that has its fair amount of depth, it’s still a lot
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
Yeah,
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
lighter.
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
lot lighter. Because I think of the realism that Dolan is going for in this movie. He’s able to bring a lot to Oppenheimer and is able to tell his story in a real way. And still somehow. Even for a World War II history buff who knows all this shit. I know all the I know Manhattan Project shit, you know like I that none of this should have been surprising or thrilling to me because I fucking know how it went down I know I’m Like I’ve not read the book that they’re talking about but I’ve skimmed it. I know what they’re talking about here
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
Yeah.
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
So tense. Oh my will this movie fucking tense, you know, like god damn what an intense fucking movie This
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
Hehehehehehehehe
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
is you know, like that’s what I’m saying that you want to go to Barbie afterward because it’s just kind of a release in comparison to like the
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
I think…
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
That
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
Yeah,
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
bar that
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
I think,
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
openheimer
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
um…
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
is you know, like you’re like, ah Jesus
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
I think it was Red Letter Media who said that, like, Oppenheimer was just a three-hour long panic attack and they loved
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
Yes!
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
it.
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
Yes, I will say that is it. Is that like, is that so intense? I literally couldn’t stand the Trinity scene. I know what happened at the Trinity test. No one dies. No one’s
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
Yeah.
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
hurt. I still was like, fuck! You know,
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
Hahaha
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
during that whole scene, I was like, ahhhh! Like, I was like, this is so intense. They were able to like, make it so suspenseful just for the Trinity test. So it’s not even like… The suspense of dropping the bomb, which is what I thought would be the big suspenseful point of the movie? Nope! It’s the first fucking real test, you
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
I
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
know, like…
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
actually and this is something that’s sort of like I won’t say not like a hard divide for people
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
Yeah.
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
But I actually love that the most we see of it is the trinity test We don’t
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
Oh yeah,
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
even
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
right.
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
see the bombs drop in japan. I actually love that they keep
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
I would
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
it from
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
say that’s
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
the
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
an absolute highlight of this
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
Yeah,
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
movie. You know,
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
I
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
like.
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
love that. They just keep it from the perspective Of the americans
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
of Oppenheimer.
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
who wouldn’t be able to actually witness it And it keeps it that way because there’s that like element of dehumanization Like it’s
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
Yes.
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
happening over there. So
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
Don’t
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
we can be
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
look
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
cheerful
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
at it.
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
about it. Especially
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
And
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
from
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
that.
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
the people who didn’t work on the test who wouldn’t know just like exactly what we’ve unleashed.
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
Yeah, and in open higher doesn’t even ever see the results of Nagasaki or Hiroshima because until he till they’re researching what the effects of their bomb is so
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
Mm-hmm.
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
they don’t even he doesn’t even get to see what the devastation is until they’re showing and I love that scene also because they don’t show it. The it’s just him being like looking up. seeing the devastation on the screen and like keeping it on him and he’s just horrified and he can’t look. And then he has the mental breakdown later where he’s like seeing some
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
Yeah,
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
of
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
he’s
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
the
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
doing
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
like
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
like
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
nuclear
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
the rallying
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
effects.
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
and just trying to be like the good old Patriots. Just like, aha, we really showed them. And then just like seeing visions of all the people he worked on it with, like turn to ash or burn
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
Mm-hmm
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
or throw up from radiation sickness.
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
Yeah, you’re just like, like the actual violence of the bomb that he created, but he never sees it until his visions of it. And I love that because it almost makes it even more horrifying, you know, like that. It’s like this thing that, you know, like that you dropped and it, it
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
And just, ah,
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
so
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
this
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
uncaring, you
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
film
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
know, like
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
is
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
so
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
so
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
unfeeling.
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
good with like demonstrating like the callousness of humanity sometimes.
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
Yeah.
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
Like I loved the bit where they were just like casually discussing where to drop the bombs.
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
Yes!
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
And the
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
Oh my God!
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
general
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
What a
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
is
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
scene!
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
just like, but let’s not do Kyoto. I went to my honeymoon there with my wife. It’s a lovely city. You’re like,
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
Right? You’re like…
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
what the fuck?
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
I love that scene so much because there’s a lot of debate in this movie if Nolan’s kind of an apologist for this. They’re like, is Nolan kind of being like, it’s okay, they had to drop the bomb, you know? And sort of is, but I feel like he shows his true feelings on it in that scene because it shows how uncaring, unfeeling.
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
Yeah.
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
Like just absolutely like not thinking of the humanity they’re about to just fucking wipe
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
I think
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
out.
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
it,
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
Yeah,
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
I
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
like.
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
think because we spend, because it’s such a good character piece for the way we portray Oppenheimer in this,
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
Yeah.
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
like it works because you have like the like, I mean, it’s all about the scientific ambition. We gotta
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
Yep.
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
make it, we gotta make it, we gotta beat them, we gotta beat them to it. And just to get even to the point, it’s just like, I now know what’s been made and I’ve seen it.
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
Yes.
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
I can only imagine what it will do to people. And it’s even to the point where it’s just like, oh, the Germans are out of the war.
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
Yeah.
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
We gotta find someone to drop this
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
Wait…
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
on. We spent
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
Right
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
so much
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
here!
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
money on it. You’re like, huh.
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
Man, it’s
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
And also
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
just…
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
the like brilliance. I had initially thought that the black and white versus color was like
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
Yes.
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
Strauss’s point of view versus everyone else’s point of view. No one has actually said that like it is that, but it’s a little broader. It’s objective versus subjective.
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
Ah,
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
And that’s
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
okay.
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
kind of brilliant.
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
Yeah.
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
So it’s like people’s perspective. on the events versus the people actually involved.
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
Yes, exactly. Like when they’re showing the black and white and then it’s color for Einstein at the end, you know it’s like, it is the real moment instead
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
Mm-hmm.
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
of just them, people witnessing them, Oppenheimer and Einstein having that moment, you know? Like you’re just like, oh shit, I love that. I love, so I wanna say in broad terms before I get into like the nitty gritty stuff. I love the absolute filmmaking of this movie. You know, like Nolan said, he did not use CGI in this movie. Incredible. The absolute
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
Which…
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
dedication to the direction of this film
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
Yeah,
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
is astounding.
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
I know they did the Trinity test itself like, practically, and
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
Yes.
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
I know how they did it. I do wonder if it’s… if it’s mostly…
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
miniatures, mostly miniatures,
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
No, not
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
but…
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
the explosion
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
Oh,
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
itself, but
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
okay.
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
I keep hearing no CGI, no CGI, no CGI, but what about like the visions of the world on fire?
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
Yeah, so that was a big, like, it is miniatures again. It’s like the
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
Mm-hmm.
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
big, like, miniature of Earth on Fire and they were able to, like, get such a close shot of it that, like, it’s just incredible, the miniature
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
Okay.
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
work on this. You know, like, it’s one of those things that you’re like, you’re like, fucking hell, you know,
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
It’s
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
like.
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
such a fucking flex. Like we had made the jokes when it was announced that like no
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
He
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
one
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
was
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
was
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
gonna
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
doing
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
bomb
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
a film
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
fucking Japan.
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
about Oppenheimer. I’m just like this fucking mad man who was just like, unless it’s impossible to do
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
Hehehe
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
practically, I’m fucking doing it practically. Just like, oh, he’s doing a biopic about Robert J. Oppenheimer. So it’s like, is this motherfucker about to drop some nukes to get the
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
I
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
footage
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
know I was
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
for
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
like
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
it?
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
I was saying that that’s the real Like they were basically implying every one of those articles that he was gonna fucking pop They’re like no CGI in this movie. No, it’s all practical. You’re like, what’s that mean motherfucker?
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
What
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
What’s
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
do you mean?
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
that fucking mean?
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
It’s like that fucking hot ones like jennifer lauren team. What do you what do you mean?
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
What do
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
What
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
you
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
do
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
mean?
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
you mean?
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
What do you mean? Exactly. You’re just like, you’re like, what the fuck? But you can tell it’s miniatures or explosions on a closed set or, you know, like in the desert
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
Yeah,
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
or stuff like that.
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
and I love
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
Like
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
that
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
they
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
the-
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
use a combination of many shots,
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
And
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
like,
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
just from
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
to
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
a perspective,
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
show this.
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
like I love that the Trinity test isn’t played, it’s just like, look how fucking cool this is.
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
Yes.
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
In fact, the explosion itself, while it’s cool that it’s done practically, isn’t from like a spectacle standpoint, all that impressive. It’s really about
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
Yes.
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
the reactions of everyone. Like the fucking… the shit, like just the white light.
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
Yes, every- hitting everybody and everyone
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
Mm-hmm.
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
wearing the sunscreen and everything. You’re just
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
And then
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
like, holy
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
of course
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
shit.
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
Oppenheimer says the quote.
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
Yes, right?
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
and the fact
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
So,
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
that it’s also completely silent
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
yeah,
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
for
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
you’re
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
a second.
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
just like, I know, real, absolutely, you could hear a pin drop in my theater when that fucking happened. That was like, you’re just like, holy fuck. Like, Jesus Christ. I, just the absolute, the confidence of Nolan in this movie is what I like here. And how much it doesn’t- always feel like a Nolan film. The only
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
Mm-hmm.
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
time it felt like a stereotypical Nolan film was they have the one scene where they’re like bouncing off ideas with each other and that felt very inception-y,
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
Yeah.
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
you know, like, and that was the only scene that I felt like I was like, okay, I’m watching a fucking Nolan film, you know? Like, you’re like, okay,
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
Um, I
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
like…
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
felt that and when we were in like the like tiny little conference room where Oppenheimer’s
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
Yes.
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
not on trial, but he might as well be
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
Mm-hmm.
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
when the fucking music when fucking ludwig granssen’s music was just Blasting because boy, oh boy does no one love his music
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
Right? Loves it. Loves it.
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
So that
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
And
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
shit
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
by
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
is
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
the
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
just
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
way,
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
fucking blaring
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
every time I saw Barbie, you could fucking hear Oppenheimer through the wall. Like, you know, like that is a loud fucking movie.
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
Yeah, I
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
It
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
could
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
is
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
hear
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
so
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
it. I
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
loud.
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
could hear it from below because you’ve been to the cool It’s like there’s the main movie house one and then there’s the movie house two upstairs barbie was upstairs
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
nice.
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
So I could hear when the I could hear when the Trinity test was going
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
Yes!
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
on downstairs Like I could
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
Right
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
fucking
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
is goo!
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
feel it. I could just like feel it in my feet
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
You’re like, holy fuck. I would say, it’s like, I love seeing Barbie in theaters, but like the real like spectacle movie is this. This is like, you know, like the Barbie is worth seeing in theaters, absolutely for the fun of it, for the laughs, seeing it with other people, it’s absolutely it. But if you’re talking about pure spectacle, pure-
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
Mm-hmm.
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
feeling pure rumble in the fucking seats and the testicles, you’re talking about fucking Oppenheimer.
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
Yeah,
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
Because this
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
even
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
is crazy.
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
if it’s a movie where if you want to like, be reductive about it, it’s a bunch of people talking in conference rooms.
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
But, okay, but, I will say, we are not big fans of, we watch a lot of biography films, but we always point out how it’s hard to make real life, like the real things that happen interesting, you know? Like, and I feel
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
Yeah.
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
like a lot of biographies fall into that trap of they’re like, well, this is what actually happened, even though it doesn’t work for the plot. you know, like, or anything like that. And you’re like, you’re telling a story, who cares about if it worked for the plot? You know, like make it work better, you know,
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
Yeah,
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
like,
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
it’s
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
and
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
a tough
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
that
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
balance
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
happens for a lot of them.
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
because you have to balance like this needs to work as a narrative film and guess what? Real life doesn’t work like a narrative film,
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
Yeah,
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
but also
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
exactly.
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
so you need to dramatize it. There will always be dramatization to some extent, but there’s also the point where you go too far.
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
Mm-hmm, exactly. And I think this movie treads that line extremely well and is
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
Mm-hmm.
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
able to tell a great biography story while also delivering something of like 12 angry men caliber like courtroom scenes here. I
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
I do love 12 of angry men.
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
love 12
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
That
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
angry
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
is
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
men.
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
on
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
We’ll be fucking talking about it.
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
the
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
We’ll be talking
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
AFI
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
about
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
list.
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
it.
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
So we’ll be getting to it eventually.
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
eventually. But I think it’s one of the greatest movies of all time. And I think they do a great job here of like capturing that greatness, you know, like that, like, we can make a courtroom drama, personal, and also full of drama, while also staying realistic to being a court drama,
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
And you
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
you
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
also,
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
know, like
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
it’s also so well crafted that you get who these people are just through
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
Yes.
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
conversation, even without like proportionate like actions.
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
Yes, exactly. It’s like, I think that, you know, I think a real true criticism is that there is a lot of exposition in this movie,
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
Hmm?
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
but I think that that’s kind of people telling each other stories about each
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
And
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
other,
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
plus,
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
you know? Like
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
to
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
that’s
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
be fair,
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
kind of
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
like
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
what’s going
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
a
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
on
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
movie
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
here.
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
with this subject material, you’re kind of going in knowing that it’s going to be this.
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
Yes,
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
It
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
exactly.
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
is at its heart like a political drama.
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
Yeah,
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
Like
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
that’s
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
a historical
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
why I-
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
drama.
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
that’s what- that- I would say the- the scene which made me go this is a Nolan film and how it- and- and that is the reason why I’m giving this a nine instead of pushing it all the way to a fucking ten, but like I feel like that- this movie deserves that, because this is- this is fantastically crafted, uh, extremely- the cast is- So fucking good, we
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
This.
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
haven’t even started talking about the fucking cast here. Holy fuck.
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
This fucking
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
Like, shit.
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
movie must have been a biiitch to edit.
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
Yeah, right? Holy
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
because
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
fuck.
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
it is another Nolan film which is told from a nonlinear standpoint
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
Uh huh.
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
which he loves like there’s always
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
You-
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
even when the movie’s not about time there’s always an undercurrent
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
An element of
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
of
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
time.
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
time an element of time like that’s just something that like Nolan thinks about time a lot
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
And I think that that’s why this feels so great as a biography film, is that it’s able to jump around in time and it feel natural
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
Mm-hmm.
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
and not jarring and it’s entertaining the entire time. Like, I say you feel three hours but that’s just because you saw Barbie before, you know? Like, it’s like, otherwise I don’t think you’d feel it as much. but it is, there’s a lot going on here. There’s a fucking lot going on, because it is, they say at the beginning, they’re like, how could one, I would have to have to defend your whole entire life in court, is basically the line they say at the beginning. And you’re like, and you know, like sum your life up in court or
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
Hmm.
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
something like that. That’s the line. And you’re like, and that’s kind of what the movie is, you know, and
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
Yeah.
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
they kind of like drop that premise and then like kind of run with it.
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
And there’s also that like, according to like, Hilly and Murphy, like the principle photography for this was actually quick.
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
57
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
He said, yeah,
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
days,
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
that’s it.
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
what the fuck? What the fuck, you shot this in 57 fucking days? That’s insane, all on film? What the fuck, Nolan? What, like
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
Hehehehehehe
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
what? Like what? You know, like crazy shit. But they also said he didn’t have a video village. So no one
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
No,
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
saw
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
no one’s not
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
takes.
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
availi- Yeah,
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
No one
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
n-
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
saw like what they did on film.
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
This
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
You know,
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
is something
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
like no
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
you
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
one
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
can
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
saw
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
see
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
it.
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
like through production for like most of his stuff. Like Nolan’s not a video village person. Like he is
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
Mm-hmm.
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
very like old school mentality. Like I know what my cinematographer is doing. I know what the shot will look like. I need the confidence. It’s
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
Yeah,
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
just me.
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
I’ll know when the shot is right, you
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
Yeah.
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
know, like, and it’s not, you don’t make the choice, I do. And you’re kind of like, I do love that. I think I’ll, and that’s the reason why, you know, there was the behind the scenes story of Matt Damon was like in a couples therapy with his wife. And he was like, I won’t work for the next year and a half except if Nolan calls me up. And you’re like, first off, fair dude. You know,
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
Yeah,
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
like,
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
and it
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
you’re
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
also
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
like,
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
makes sense
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
oh.
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
because he has worked with Nolan before he was an interstellar, so that was
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
Right?
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
a possibility. It wouldn’t
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
It
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
be
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
wasn’t
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
like,
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
possible.
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
if Nolan calls, we’ve never worked together before, but you
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
Yeah.
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
know, just in case, but like, they have history.
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
But it’s kind of one of those things where you’re like, one of the greatest artists of your time calls you up, yeah, you’re gonna say yes, you know, like, and I do love it. I will say, this is one of Robert Downey Jr’s best films. We were just talking about Matt Damon, but like, I
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
Yeah,
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
will say
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
RDJ
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
about
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
has
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
the cast.
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
actually said that like, he considers this the best movie he’s ever been in.
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
Not a far stretch to be
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
Yeah.
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
fair. It’s like, yeah, guys, I know you love Endgame. I know you’re like, oh man, but Endgame’s so good. Guys, come on. Like,
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
Well, he’s talked
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
it’s
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
about how
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
fucking
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
like
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
real.
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
he’s played Tony Stark for so long that it’s just one of those things like he said he was worried if something like broke in him for
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
Yeah!
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
that like maybe he didn’t have the range anymore to play other stuff because he had like gotten so comfortable with just playing this one thing for so
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
Oh, but
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
long.
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
he’s so good in this. He’s so,
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
Which actors
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
it’s like.
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
worry about all the time. This is why they hate typecasting because
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
Yes,
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
they’re like
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
and it’s
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
I can
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
why
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
demonstrate
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
a
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
more
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
lot
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
reigns
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
of people say
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
and the
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
to
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
one
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
stay
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
thing.
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
away from superhero films,
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
Yeah.
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
you know, like
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
I am more than just the one thing you know from. I can act. I can play other characters.
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
And it’s one of those things that I love Robert Downey Jr. I think, you know, I love the Sherlock Holmes films. They’re fun, they’re stupid. I think they’re, you know, like they’re a good time. And I think that, you know, like
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
And
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
a
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
even
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
lot
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
Kiss
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
of other movies,
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
Bang like falls
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
yes,
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
into that like
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
is a fantastic, like.
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
ad-libbing snarky character so it wasn’t that hard of a pivot to do Tony
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
Yeah.
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
especially since he more or less reinvented Tony Stark. Tony Stark was not like lovable snarky asshole in the comics. He became
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
Just
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
that
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
asshole.
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
afterwards.
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
Just asshole,
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
Just
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
really.
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
an asshole. But we also need to think about like stuff earlier than like his big comeback with Marvel like Chaplin.
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
Yeah, of course, of course. Yeah, and that’s the thing is like, I think he’s been brought into a lot of blockbusters. And I think the man has a lot more than that. And I think
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
Mm.
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
he shows it here. You know, like I think also the black and white scenes. We said it during last picture show, the reason why the last pic, which was our last episode, go watch it, that the black and white brings out the performances in… for the actors. So fucking true here. Oh my God. Every black and white scene I was like, fuck. I was like, everyone’s doing so fucking good. I was just like, I was like, especially Robert Downey Jr. I was like, I was like, it’s like, I don’t want to downplay anything he’s ever done before, but this was fantastic. You
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
Mm-hmm.
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
know, it’s like, it’s, it’s a great portrayal. He disappears in the role. He’s just that, you know, like, and you’re just like, I love it.
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
So many, so many bit parts in this
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
Yes.
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
from
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
Oh
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
like
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
yes.
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
established actors that they only have so much time, but they do such a great job with it. Like.
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
So, first off you got Alden Enrich, who’s the guy helping Robert Downey Jr. You’re like,
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
I think
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
what
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
it’s
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
the fuck are you doing
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
Aldenrec?
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
here? You know, like,
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
I think that’s how you pronounce his last
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
Alden
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
name.
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
Enrich, he’s literally Han Solo. It’s Han Solo
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
He’s
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
there.
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
not my Han Solo.
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
And then you have Jason Clarke there. You have…
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
David Desmouchian.
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
Yeah, Kenneth Ronan as Neils Bohr. You’re like, holy fuck and he’s so good as Neils Bohr You’re like you’re like what the fuck it like you’re just like you’re like Kenneth Ronan This might be one of your best trolls ever and you’re just Neils Bohr
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
It’s weird that we’re always so surprised that, like, Kenneth Branagh can act. Just like, yeah, Kenneth
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
I know.
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
Branagh can fucking act. He’s more than Gilderoy Lockhart.
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
I will give credit to Emily Blunt, I think she’s absolutely fantastic in this fucking movie. Not a bit part here, she is Kitty Oppenheimer, she is absolutely fantastic,
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
Cheers!
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
is able to like match Killian’s fucking energy in such a way
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
The,
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
that is fantastic, you
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
and this
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
know,
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
is
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
like.
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
a compliment, like the definition of a hard bitch.
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
in such a good way. You
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
Yeah,
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
know, like,
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
that’s
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
yeah,
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
what I
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
right,
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
mean.
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
like, just such a such a fantastic
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
Which
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
way.
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
is also, which also layers onto like the criticisms towards like the way Nolan’s like characterized women in the past. Where it’s like, less openly making them bad and more just like being afraid to really utilize them and not
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
Hehehe
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
screwing up. Just like, Kitty in this feels like a person. Like
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
Yes.
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
warts and all.
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
Warts and all. And I love that, you know, like, because it’s not, you know, it’s one of those things that this is very easy to be like, you know, this guy literally did one of created the one of the greatest war crimes of all time,
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
And would
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
you know,
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
also,
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
like, and,
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
it would also
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
you
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
be
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
know, like,
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
a very easy trap to fall into from a writing perspective, especially if it’s a male writer. To be like, well, you know, this was the fucking, this was
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
Yeah.
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
the time. Like what did the women actually do?
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
And it’s one of those things that they’re not apologizing for Oppenheimer But they do the one thing I feel like is very apologetic about the nuclear things that they say in this movie I feel like is the very like it kind of makes you feel bad sort of thing is the very like it will drop it twice and no one will ever drop another one again It’s the reason they always give for why we did it, you know, like, for dropping the nuclear bomb is like being like, well, if we drop it twice, no one will ever drop a bomb again, because we scared the shit out of them.
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
Mm-hmm.
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
And you’re like, yeah, but it didn’t take fucking two! You know, like, god damn, like,
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
Um,
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
it’s Jesus, fuck, like,
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
I
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
it’s…
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
still, I still think they get around that pretty well.
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
Yes,
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
Like
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
they do.
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
the, like the, um, the fucking worker of his that eventually like betrays almost just like until they build the
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
Yes.
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
bigger bomb.
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
Yes, exactly. You’re like, kind of like, fuck. And that’s kind of the,
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
Everything
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
I feel
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
just
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
like
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
escalates.
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
the great part about that is that like, it doesn’t stop after they bomb. You know, like it is, there’s so much more to that. You know,
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
And
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
like
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
here’s the
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
that.
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
thing, like, and no one has tackled that theme before in like multiple movies, like the theme
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
Mm-hmm.
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
of escalation, like The Dark Knight is all about escalation.
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
Yeah.
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
It’s even explored like vaguely in Inception and Tenet, just like, oh, once
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
Yeah.
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
we finished the wars, now it’s about like heists of the mind and
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
Yes!
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
dreams. And oh, here, now, if we can’t fight this way, we’ll fight doing time travel. We will always find
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
Yes.
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
a way to fucking fight each other.
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
Exactly. To keep going through the tiny cats, the tiny cats,
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
Tiny cast a bunch
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
you
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
of
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
have,
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
unknowns. I don’t
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
now,
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
know if
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
but
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
they’re
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
John
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
ever gonna
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
knows,
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
make
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
who
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
it
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
fucking
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
into this
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
knows?
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
industry. I hope they hope Hope they get more attention
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
You got Mathis Schwindgolfer from Army of the Dead, the Swedish guy who opens
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
Who was the best character
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
the safe.
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
in that movie?
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
He’s in this, you have John- Josh Hartnett, which you’re like, what the fuck, where’d you come from? You have, I mean, have we talked about, we haven’t said anything about Florence Poo yet. Am I saying that wrong as Poe or is it poo,
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
It’s Pew.
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
pew? Florence Poo, I love her. I’ve been, we’ve been talking, we’ve said how much we love her in so many movies.
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
You really need to watch Midsommar. I know you’re
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
I know,
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
afraid
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
I know.
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
too because Ari Aster traumatized you a couple
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
He’s
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
times,
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
traumatized.
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
but it’s so
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
Yeah.
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
fucking good.
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
But she was great in Don’t Worry Darling last year and in so many other movies and things. I can’t get enough
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
She
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
of her,
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
is…
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
you know, like
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
And I’m not saying it’s a bad thing, but it just makes me laugh. She is determined to show people her boobs. I’ve seen
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
It’s
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
it,
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
kind of like on the arms you’re kind of just like
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
yeah,
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
this is happening.
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
so many
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
It’s
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
times
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
in the movie
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
in movies and even when you see her on like red carpet, like dresses and stuff like that, everything’s like really transparent and see through like Florence Pugh is constantly like, look at these titties. I’m just like, hey, you do you.
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
Hey, whatever,
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
It’s just, it’s just
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
if you have
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
a
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
the
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
funny
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
confidence for
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
thing
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
it.
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
to know.
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
But she plays Jean Tatlog as this kind of first love of Oppenheimer, but they never really work. So it’s this like constant in and out of love
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
for someone
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
throughout
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
who
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
their
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
obviously
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
lives.
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
has like mental instability
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
Yes.
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
decades ago, so
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
That’s
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
definitely no help there.
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
just, no help at all. And I think it’s one of the most heartbreaking parts of this story. Cause like Oppenheimer, you know, is putting in all this work and all this effort and he, but also it’s this kind of like, he wants to help her, but she never wanted him sort of thing. But then
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
Yeah.
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
she blames him for like, abandoning him even though she didn’t really want him in the first place sort of thing. It’s this like actually complicated relationship,
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
Mm-hmm.
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
you know, like and I really love that, you know, like instead of just being, uh, you know, just like a hot sexy secretary that, you know, Oppenheimer screws. It’s like this big complicated relationship
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
a person.
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
that they have. Yeah, a person and you’re like, holy shit. Um. I do like their first scene where she discovers the I have become death.
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
destroy our worlds, yeah.
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
First off, it’s very hot. Second off, it’s kind of cool. It kind of all ties it together. Even though it might be fake, it’s a great scene. Now keep going through the cast because she’s absolutely fantastic in it. We have so many people, but I think that one that cracked me up, you know, I mean other than Dane DeHannon is always great
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
down.
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
in every, DeHaan is great in everything. Loved him being here. You’re like, you’re like, okay, man, like you keep working, please.
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
Always good, always good at playing slimy.
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
Right? But like the two guys that I was like so surprised being there and like. I know this just, it might be a millennial thing, but I was like so surprised by Josh Peck being there and having such a small role. And then also Jack Quaid being there and also being a very small role. You’re like, these are two huge names. And like, it might not be anything to Nolan. Like Nolan might not give a fuck who these two guys are, but you’re like, holy fuck, what? You know, like, and it is funny.
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
You’re telling me no one hasn’t watched Drake and Josh
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
Drake
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
or
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
and
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
The
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
Josh
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
Boys?
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
didn’t grow up. Yeah, right? You’re like, wait a fucking minute. And to be fair to Jack Quaid, he’s a lot more than that now. He’s done all of Star Trek. He’s Peter Parker and across Spider-verse. He’s Clark Kent and Superman. The man is fucking living right now. I think he’s one of my favorite up in… coming actors at
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
Mm-hmm.
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
the up and coming the man’s an open Heimer and he’s Superman so up and coming my ass but like you know like one of these like young talented actors that I feel like we all have to keep an eye on because he’s fantastic and it’s so great to have him in this but it’s like one of those things where he blends in immediately but that’s kind of the problem with Josh Peck being there he doesn’t I know he’s doing he does a great job in the role but it’s almost It might just be my millennial mind, but I’m just like,
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
I think it’s
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
I’m like,
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
just that.
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
I’m like, I’m just like, Joe, Drake, Josh, you’re like, what the fuck? Like, like, what the fuck? But at least he gets to like, hit the button. And, you know, like, for the Trinity test and like, actually has that for a scene. And you’re kind of like, okay, all right. Like, but also Rami Malek being there for very small but important role, Casey Affleck showing up, you’re like, You’re like, what the fuck is this movie? Everybody is just down to be in a Nolan film, is obvious,
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
Yeah,
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
is
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
although
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
what
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
to
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
comes
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
but that
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
out of this.
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
is another case for like Casey Affleck was an interstellar. So they’ve worked together already
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
Yeah. But you know, I loved how threatening he was in that role. Because I went into open iron knowing that I was gonna be disappointed in humanity. I didn’t also know it was gonna be about McCarthyism and I was gonna be disappointed in humanity about that
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
Meh.
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
and my government. You know,
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
Yeah.
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
like you’re like, fuck. Like, cause it’s very, it’s like, it’s so funny. It’s like a before McCarthyism. movie where they’re like, they’re like, oh yeah, McCarthy, he’s around, but fuck that dude, we’re talking about something else. And you’re like, you’re like, so it wasn’t just that motherfucker, you know, like it’s literally, it was pervasive through American
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
Yes,
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
culture,
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
exactly.
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
you know, like to like squash any super left leaning anything, you know, like, and that’s kind of the funny
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
Mm-hmm. Just like
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
thing about this
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
you found
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
movie.
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
like You found like
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
It’s
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
the
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
hard.
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
scapegoat
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
Go ahead.
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
to blame it on but it wasn’t
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
Yes.
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
just the one person like it permeated
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
It’s one of those things that like, yes, there was a real threat sort of question mark, but not in any real way. And that’s the thing going on is that you kind of are like, wow, the lengths the US government went to, to silence anything super left leaning was intense back in the… 60s, 70s, and 80s, you know? Like, it’s kind of like, holy fuck, you know? Like, this is crazy, and it’s something that, like, you don’t fucking talk about that often, you know? Like, it’s just this kind of very… And it’s funny to me that, like, I thought, you know, Barbie was gonna be the more left-leaning movie, and then I get, like, a literal defense of communism from Oppenheimer, and you’re like… Get it, get it, get it, you know, like, you’re like, what the fuck is happening here? You know, like, you’re like, I, this is crazy, you know, like, but I think that’s what makes this movie so real and great is that they’re really dealing with these guys’s actual political beliefs. And you’re
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
So…career
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
like, okay.
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
best performance for Killian Murphy?
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
Who knows? That man can’t miss, motherfucker. That man don’t miss. I- Sorry, the- None of- All these movies here? Masterful. Not a fucking movie on here I don’t like, you know? Like, you’re like, God dang it. The man is unstoppable,
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
And it was one
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
is
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
of those
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
all
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
things
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
I’ll
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
where
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
say.
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
like, it was an inevitability for him to finally be the lead in a Nolan movie, because he’s worked with them a few times.
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
Right?
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
Like, Nolan’s like, that’s my guy, and one day we’re gonna get you in the- in the front seat.
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
Nolan in an interview I watched was like, I saw him in 28 days later and loved his eyes and face. And I’m like, same Nolan, same.
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
Yeah.
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
You know, like, cause I mean, it’s so true. This man has the bluest fucking eyes
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
He
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
I’ve fucking ever seen. Other
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
before
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
than Ryan Gosling, these
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
Killian
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
guys have
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
Murphy,
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
the bluest fucking eyes.
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
Killian
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
Like.
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
Murphy was actually my personal fan casting for the Sandman.
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
Oh man.
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
Like
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
Uh,
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
that was
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
yeah.
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
always mine. Like if it was up to me to cast it like Killian Murphy would be Morpheus.
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
Oh yeah, absolutely. No question in my mind. You know, like just the, he’s got range, he’s got, and he’s able to show it, and he’s able to be mysterious. I, absolutely, no question. I think he’s absolutely great in this role. I, it’s like, I’ve talked up the whole cast, but he really brings it together. I don’t know who’s the actor who plays Einstein, because he is also fantastic, where that could have been a really like cheesy role. and it’s not at all, you know?
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
Yeah,
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
Like,
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
where
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
and
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
you
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
you’re
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
play
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
just like,
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
like
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
okay.
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
the caricature, cultural zeitgeist of Einstein, not actually Einstein the person.
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
Tom Conti is the guy who plays Einstein and Yeah, very classic actor though, you know, like a lot of a lot of stuff he’s done
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
I feel like I’ve seen
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
over
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
them
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
the
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
in
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
years
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
a lot of stuff, but like one of those actors were like, like a Harry Dean Stanton, were like, “‘You don’t know the name, but you always know the guy.'”
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
Y-yes, exactly. You’re like, I’ve seen you, and I know you.
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
Or like a Peter Stamare, where like when they show up, you’re like, YAY!
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
Hey, yeah, exactly. I really love that. I think that this was really cool. I think at for like a scientific standpoint, this was really a cool movie, because you got to see these like, yeah, it’s this exciting time in science, where all these like science greats are sort of working together sort of bouncing ideas off of each other. And like, and they all become household names in Normal for them, you know like and very just like oh, yeah We’re just doing things when you got bores and fucking Einstein and open Heim all in the same fucking place and you’re just like and they’re all talking to each other and you’re just like the fuck you know, like You know like and that’s the kind of the fun of this movie if you’re just looking at from that perspective Is like it’s cool to see this era of science where it’s
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
Mm-hmm.
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
all these like gigantic geniuses all bouncing ideas off
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
Mm-hmm.
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
each other really, like, and questioning each other’s methods, and then eventually maybe going to war.
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
I loved
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
That sort
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
the,
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
of thing.
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
I loved the two marble and fishbowl thing.
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
Mm, I mean too. It’s a great visual device like
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
Mm-hmm
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
of them of ramping up their research and them getting the uranium You’re just like, oh, I love it like and then I’m using it later for transitions was really cool You know going to like drop something and then it’s another bit like marble in the bucket, you know sort of thing And you’re just like
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
It’s
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
no Lynn.
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
just, it’s
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
Oh,
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
one of those
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
hi
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
things where like, it feels, the entire film just feels so effortless. And you know
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
Yes.
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
this motherfucker would have been difficult.
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
Yeah, it’s a feat of filmmaking
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
Mm-hmm.
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
is what I would say. It’s an absolutely three hours of filmmaking brilliance. And he somehow shot it in 57 days, which is unheard of in Hollywood. And then, you know, and then and, and did some absolutely amazing stuff in the edit, I would say if they do not get uh, you know, nominations for editing on this peop- for the Oscars, they’re missing out.
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
This
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
Because
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
better
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
this is-
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
be…
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
it really blew
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
I feel
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
me away
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
like for
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
with
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
the
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
the
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
Oscars
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
editing.
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
in general, this better be the fucking one for Nolan because for some reason we’re always really cagey about giving Nolan his due whenever he releases
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
But you
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
a movie.
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
know the Oscars love a biography, you know,
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
Yeah.
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
like so they might, this might be
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
This
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
it
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
finally
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
for him.
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
ticks the box because it’s a fucking historical drama.
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
Yeah, I would say, okay, like, you know, like we’re, if we’re coming to it, this might be one of the best movies of the year. Uh, it’s absolutely one of Nolan’s best. And
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
To be fair,
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
if
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
that’s why it doesn’t feel as bad, because this will probably
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
yes.
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
be the one to sweep, because it’s like, oh, the Oscars love them to historical dramas, but to be
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
Exactly.
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
fair, it is one of his best works.
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
Yes, it’s like that’s my thing here is the Oscars. I feel like should recognize because this is pretty amazing, you know, like and I would it stands up there with, you know, like with the best of the year, you know, like there’s a lot of good things coming out this year. It’s a great year for movies, fucking great year for movies, probably one of those years, which will go down in memory as one of the greatest years in film. But, you know, like it’s, you know, it’s about,
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
and whatever keeps the theaters alive.
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
right? That’s what it’s about.
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
Like I’ve gotten to the point where like, I only want to go to particular theaters. Like I’ve lost my patience for AMC. They can take their fucking Nicole Kidman ads and get out
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
Ehehehehehe
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
of my face. I wanna go to specialty theaters. I like going to the Coolidge. I like going to the Summerville Theater. And
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
Yeah.
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
even though it’s a chain, it’s, you know, a little more focused. They care a little more. They’re more strict about rowdiness. Like I can’t fucking wait for the Alamo Drafthouse to finish opening up over here.
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
i know please open
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
Like
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
up
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
you
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
your
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
give me
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
life
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
those
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
please
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
three options so I can never have to go to an AMC again.
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
You’re like, please, please just stop. I don’t want to go to AMC. I was trying to see for like the best, for the most popular movies this year, I was trying to see, but I was, it’s, oh yeah. By John R. T. See, I mean, he makes it too fucking hard sometimes, but if I had to go down my list, this might be one of the best of the year. This might be the one that, you know, might be. It might not be some people’s favorite of the year, but for me, I feel like it’s one of the best.
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
Yeah.
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
And, and
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
And there’s still plenty of the year left.
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
still plenty of year left. And it’s one of those things that a year with even just across the Spider-Verse, I’d be fucking happy. But then you
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
Mm-hmm.
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
get something like Barbie and Oppenheimer together, and Oppenheimer be so fantastic. And Barbie too, that you’re just like, fuck, great year. Fucking great year for Phil. Like, you know, like you’re just like, God damn, great work everybody. I know the strike has started this year, but you guys fucking deserve it.
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
And it’s also nice that Nolan is able to prove that he doesn’t really need WB behind them
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
Yeah,
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
to
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
exactly.
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
excel.
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
Exactly. You’re just like, yeah, he can do
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
Because
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
it
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
we
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
anywhere.
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
only have like,
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
It’s basically it.
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
because the more like Hollywood in general tries to commodify like art into content,
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
Mm-hmm.
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
we start to move away from singular like visionaries as far as like
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
Yes.
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
creative storytelling is concerned. Because you have like Nolan, who’s one of those guys who’s like, I only want to shoot on film, I want to have my control, blah blah. Or we’re sort of like in this transitional period. Like Spielberg’s still kicking, Scorsese’s still kissing, but they’re
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
Yeah.
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
kicking, but they’re the old guard. Tarantino’s out after one more movie, which
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
I know.
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
I’m inclined to believe only because he’s been saying this since he first started, like
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
Forever.
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
10, 10 and
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
Yeah.
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
I’m out, 10 and I’m out.
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
Tendon I’m done. Yeah. I was saying, you know, this is a great year and I only brought up Across the Spider-Verse but I’m forgetting the other two nines for this year for me was John Wick, chapter four, and fucking Guardians of the Galaxy 3. You know, like that is… I would be happy with Just Across the Spider-Verse and Guardians of the Galaxy being this year and those other two… and what did
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
I just.
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
I say?
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
I just got the email
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
It’s
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
to, uh,
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
John
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
yesterday
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
Wick. Yeah,
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
that
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
that’s
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
my,
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
it.
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
uh, garden’s volume three steel book is on the way.
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
Hell yeah. I think this is a great year for movies. I think Barbie Heimer is this great exclamation point on summer movies for this year. And there’s a lot more coming this year to like finish off a fucking great year. I’m excited for Mutant Mayhem. I don’t give a fuck about Ninja Turtles. And I’m excited about Mutant Mayhem coming up. You know, like I feel like that looks like a great time.
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
Yeah, it just looks like sheer creativity and I’m not a I’m not a Ninja Turtles guy either, but it’s like, yeah sweet
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
Yeah, sweet
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
We’re in that post-Spider-verse world where you’re seeing the influence on it.
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
We also have Meg 2 coming up. No, I’m just kidding. That’s a joke. That’s a
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
Also,
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
joke, but I am
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
apologies
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
excited.
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
to listeners if you’re hearing that rattling. It has just started raining over here.
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
and
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
It’s
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
just
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
starting to get
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
started
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
loud.
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
raining. But, you know, like there’s a lot of great movies coming out for the rest of this year. I think of, I think of Sloth or House, oh my God, the Sloth horror movie. Yes, yes. But there’s a lot of great movies. I’m excited for Blue Beetle coming up and, you know, we’ll see what happens. No, Godzilla, that’s what I was thinking of. Any year with fucking Godzilla
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
Hehehehehehehe
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
and it is a good year for cinema and we are getting one in December. So I feel like that’s the true exclamation point on this year being a great year in cinema. You get so many great movies and you have that too. You’re like, oh fuck, yeah man. So pretty excited about that for Godzilla. But Dajon, final thoughts on Oppenheimer sort of thing?
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
Like I said, one of Nolan’s best, like sort of, it’s almost a culmination of like everything he sort of builds
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
Yeah.
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
towards, even maybe more so than Tenet. Because like Tenet
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
Right?
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
was like the inevitable one, like he’s gonna do fucking time travel eventually and then he did.
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
A time travel heist movie. Yeah, right.
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
But
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
You’re
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
this
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
like,
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
one
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
okay
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
like,
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
you did it
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
this one deals with like the scope of humanity, ideas of time and your impact on it and what
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
Mm-hmm.
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
you leave the world. Like it kind of combines
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
What’s your legacy
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
everything.
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
like?
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
And it’s one of those things where, and I feel like this almost every time he does the movie is just like, what the fuck do you follow this up with?
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
Yeah, I agree. I’m like Nolan, what do you do after this? You know, like this is like, I want to see where he goes because obviously Nolan’s one of my favorite filmmakers. I will watch anything he puts out, but I don’t know where he goes from this. So
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
Yeah.
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
I’m excited to see
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
Like
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
what’s
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
for
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
next.
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
me, for my mind, he is like never missed. To me, I think his weakest film is probably Insomnia. And even then Insomnia is
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
No,
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
a good
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
fuck
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
movie.
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
outta here, Insomnia’s a fucking classic. Like, it’s
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
It’s
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
a
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
all,
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
butt.
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
it’s like weaker relatively speaking.
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
Okay, I got what you’re saying.
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
Yeah, if I had
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
I’m like
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
to pick
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
I’m like
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
one. It’s
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
I’m
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
all,
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
like hey
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
it’s still a good movie, but it’s also one of those ones where like, he didn’t write that, it was a remake of a foreign film. So like,
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
Yes.
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
it doesn’t feel as much like him as some of his other stuff.
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
Yeah, I mean, yeah, following is a is a classic. So is memento. Yeah, I mean, it’s only I would say maybe that’s the weakest because the prestigious absolutely fantastic all the Batman’s
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
I feel like prestige
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
inception
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
doesn’t get enough…
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
is amazing.
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
I feel like the prestige doesn’t get nearly enough respect.
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
Right? It doesn’t. It’s one of those things where you’re like, what a fantastic movie, you know, and they just kind of
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
That’s probably
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
don’t talk
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
like
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
about
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
it
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
it.
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
and the Dark Knight rises are probably the most divisive
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
Yeah, weird, right? You’re like, that’s so strange. Like, especially because like, everyone just loves Dunkirk, you know, like, they’re
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
Mm-hmm.
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
kind of just like, yep, okay. Yep, okay. And I feel like a lot of people just don’t know following exists, you know, his origin,
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
Yeah.
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
his first film, you know, like where it’s, I watched it in film school, a young writer who follows strangers for material meets a thief who takes him under his wing is the plot synopsis. It’s a fun all of Nolan’s strengths start in this great budding way.
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
And I feel like Tenet also rubbed people the wrong way, but I think that’s mostly
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
Yes.
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
a case of like, I didn’t understand it, so I’m mad at it, it’s bad.
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
And I would say that that, hey, if you didn’t understand Oppenheimer, like if, guys, like, and I say this for every Christopher Nolan movie, you’re dumb if you didn’t understand the movie, but especially for Oppenheimer here, I feel like he’s being so natural with all the time skips and all the movement. It feels like you’re reading a novel and how it like moves
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
And yeah,
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
and progresses through time,
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
it’s just one
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
and
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
of
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
it
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
those
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
feels
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
things
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
great
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
where like,
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
if you don’t understand it. I don’t know what to say, like.
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
I hate to sound like the old man, but I’m sorry, Christopher Nolan’s movies are just the movies that like, require your full attention.
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
Yes, yes, yeah, that’s why I’m saying for both of these movies to go see in theaters, because you will not put the full attention in watching it at home. It’s just the way it is. If you can go see both of these movies so you can catch everything. I definitely want to see Openheimer again. I’m not rushing out because of how devastated I was
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
Yeah
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
emotionally, but it really is. It’s one of those things that like it’s not trying to be sad, but somehow. You’re just so beat up at the
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
Also,
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
end, you
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
kudos
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
know? Like,
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
since
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
you’re
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
we
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
like,
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
didn’t
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
fuck
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
bring up
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
me.
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
the cinematography too much like, Hoyte van Hoteima. Such…
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
Oh. Uh huh.
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
Ever since like, I’ve been following this dude since Let the Right One In, and he’s only continued to just get better and better at his craft.
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
Talk about a man who doesn’t miss, fucking
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
Yeah.
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
can’t miss, fucking, fucking great. Yeah, this cinematography here is, it’s fantastic. It’s, one of my favorite bits is the beginning when Oppenheimer’s kind of like seeing things, you know, his schizophrenia is getting really bad,
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
Mm-hmm.
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
which I love that they don’t never bring up that he has schizophrenia, but they address it with him having visions, you
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
Yeah.
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
know? Like they just don’t say it. They don’t, then nobody says he has to get to friendly, he doesn’t say it. But it’s something that’s very said in his book, he brings it up and he talks about it. But like he, it’s, but it’s one of those things that like, and it’s also the debate there, I know Oppenheimer’s son came out and was like, hey, the Apple scene never really happened even in, and in the book, Oppenheimer even says he doesn’t know if it actually happened
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
Yeah.
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
or if it was one of his delusions.
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
And to be
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
But
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
fair.
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
isn’t that to show how stressed he was, even if it happened
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
Yeah,
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
or not? You know, like…
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
and to be fair that article is very misleading like if you actually
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
Yeah.
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
read it like um his like I think it’s like exactly like his grandson is
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
Yeah.
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
actually way more positive about the movie than that like headline says
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
Oh, okay.
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
Like he goes into details just like oh it was actually a very good movie like Very
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
Yeah.
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
well crafted from a storytelling perspective. Obviously you need to dramatize stuff. He was actually pretty positive about it But they took that little bit about the apple made it seem like oh his grandson is furious
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
And you’re like, nah, it’s really nothing. I did love that scene. I’ve always known that story about Oppenheimer. So I did love that scene because it was, it was the one thing I really expected, you know, like to happen in this movie. And for them to just do it right away to kind of show who Oppenheimer is, I thought was a great device to start the movie with, you know, like to show off who young Oppenheimer is as a person, you know, like. You know like and then to see him kind of grow out of that is also really cool You know like
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
People
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
him
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
change.
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
kind of people change
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
You
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
and
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
get old
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
I
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
and
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
really
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
full of regrets.
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
did like that So Open hot openheimer worth seeing worth getting worth absolutely, you know in our rating scale of Pre-order it own it wait for a sale or no, which is our warp shelf rating system. This is
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
as close
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
a
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
as a rating system as we have.
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
Yeah, this is a pre-order. This is a fucking give me that movie as soon as possible
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
It is
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
for
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
one
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
both
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
of those
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
movies.
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
movies that makes me excited that I have a PS5 and can play 4K Blu-rays now.
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
Yeah, right, you’re like hell yeah Also, did you hear that ratchet and clank PC port can’t even fucking you know how they were like no loading times for ratchet and Clank in it literally so much loading times on the PC version. You’re kind of like damn PS
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
Yeah,
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
5 What
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
that’s
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
the
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
because
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
fuck
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
the
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
you packing
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
Pia-
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
in there,
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
That’s the
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
you know?
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
fuckin- Yeah, the PS5’s got that solid state drive, baby.
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
It’s crazy that the PS5 can outpace a lot of computers on this. You’re like, holy fuck, it’s kind of fucking, it’s pretty
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
Eat
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
great,
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
that fucking
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
pretty
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
PC
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
awesome.
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
Master Race.
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
Makes you want to be like, it might be a PS5 time, but no, I do not need new systems.
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
You know,
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
I already…
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
you know you want it. Did you see that fucking Spider-Man 2 one that they released?
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
I know,
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
Where it’s
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
I
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
like,
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
know.
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
has the, it’s like half black because the symbiote’s taking it over. That looks so
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
Oh,
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
sick.
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
so sick. I mean, did you see that? Speaking of that, did you see the Barbie one where it’s like literally like sort of a dream house? Like and they like it’s got places to put your games in and stuff like that. It looked great. I was like, oh hell yeah, like
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
Yeah.
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
And then there was all I think there was no but higher one but it was just like black and like, yeah,
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
Yeah.
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
okay. Like, you’re like,
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
They should just give you a pile
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
fair enough.
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
of ashes.
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
No, you go have fun.
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
Anyway…
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
Anyways. Guys, thank
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
Both
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
you
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
good
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
for
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
movies.
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
listening to this.
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
Go see
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
Yes.
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
it. Make the time.
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
Do it, it’s worth it. This will, undoubtedly I think these will smash records all year long.
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
Barbie’s
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
I think
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
already
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
this is gonna
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
fucking smashing records. This shit
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
be,
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
is,
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
smashing records. I think it will
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
it
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
keep
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
is killing
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
going.
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
it.
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
And I think this is Nolan’s third highest grossing movie, just behind Inception
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
Which is refreshing
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
and Dark Knight,
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
given the
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
which
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
content
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
is like,
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
material
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
thank,
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
because
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
yeah.
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
it’s definitely not as accessible a film
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
Yes.
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
as Barbie is for like a broader appeal because you get this is why students get so fucking afraid of anything like R-rated or anything
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
Heheh
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
that’s not immediately broad. It’s just like it’s
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
Yes
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
not gonna hit as many screens as possible. It’s not gonna sell as many tickets as possible. And
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
But
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
Oppenheimer
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
they sold
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
such
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
a lot
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
a
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
of fucking
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
focused
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
tickets.
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
subject matter that I’m glad it’s doing so well.
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
Yeah, me too. And that they will make their money back on it. So Nolan will continue to do whatever the fuck he wants,
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
Yeah,
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
which is
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
which
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
all
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
is what we
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
I want.
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
need.
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
Yes, exactly. And in a year where I’m saying some of the greatest movies of the year are superhero films, I like that these two are not, and
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
Mm-hmm
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
they are still fantastic
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
and that’s
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
and
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
coming
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
great.
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
from
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
Like,
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
comic book fans
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
yeah, it’s coming from Godwin fans
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
Like we
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
who love this shit.
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
are happy
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
Like…
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
to be so fucking spoiled with the amount of like
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
Exactly.
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
superhero content, but you know Still got to
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
Um,
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
mix it up
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
but guys, thank you for listening to this double sized, uh, almost Barbie length movie length, uh, episode, uh, covering Barbie and Oppenheimer in our Barbenheimer episode here, uh, go back, check out our other episodes and you know, hit all the Dooley dads down below to make the algorithm move. You know, the deal, uh, don’t say anything else but you can also find us if you’re not watching us on YouTube and watching our beautiful faces you could be listening in on any freaking podcast platform you can think of. I mean it if we’re not on a podcast platform tell me it’s my literal promise to you I will get it on there because
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
Hehehe
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
I we’re everywhere and if your favorite one is and we’re not on there let me We wanna talk about these movies. Please comment on any of those places so we can discuss. Did you hate Barbie? Did you not have a good time? Did you hate Oppenheimer? I wanna hear it because I feel like there is criticism to be had in both of these. And obviously we talked for two hours on these, but there’s obvious criticisms for both of these and I’d love to hear from all of you about it. And guys, if you want to see our own social medias, you can check out I’m Yep Frank or Yep Gundam on, not on Twitter anymore. I’m not even, I uninstalled X this morning. I’m not, I, we will keep it up for a little bit, but I am not posting on there anymore. So check me out on Instagram and threads.
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
I’m
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
Yep
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
either
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
Frank,
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
way either way
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
Yep
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
it sucks
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
Gundam.
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
Instagram’s owned by FB. So you’re like
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
Yeah, you’re like, fuck, this all sucks. Like, but, uh,
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
Yeah.
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
you know,
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
And.
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
X is now sort of a hellscape, so I’m kind of
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
Yeah,
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
like, eh.
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
and I’m pretty much on every platform under the same username, ModKaraika. Also, if you’re a local to the Boston area, I will be at Fan Expo Boston
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
Woo!
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
next weekend. So
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
So go
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
on
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
say
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
the off chance
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
hi.
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
you recognize him, you could say hi.
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
So go say hi, go see us at Fan Expo. He will be wandering around looking amazed at everything going on. And guys, thank you for supporting the show. We really appreciate it. I love talking with Deshaun, but I love knowing that you guys are listening and liking it and digging it. And I hope you do. And if you have… Suggestions for episodes or things you want us to cover again leave it down below or DM us tell us what you want next up though is either If me and Deshawn finished tears of the kingdom, which might not
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
Almost
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
happen.
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
done.
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
We were almost I’m almost done I’m on Thunder Isles. I’m flying around in the sky, you know, I’m almost there But or Or we have Pulp Fiction coming up on the AofI Top 100 list. There’s also more movies coming, but you gotta make choices. You gotta choose things.
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
The possibilities are endless.
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
And Posh Moody’s your am-wis. And I mean, we still may talk about The Flash, who knows? It might piss me off so much that we have to talk about it. No,
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
I mean,
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
I’m
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
it
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
just
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
would be
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
kidding.
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
a change of pace. We pride ourselves on being mostly a positive podcast, but it might actually
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
Yeah,
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
be refreshing
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
I
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
to
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
think
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
get
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
you
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
angry
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
can get
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
about
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
that
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
something.
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
from this
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
No.
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
episode. I mean, I was pretty fucking angry with Black Adam Shazam too. So if
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
I still
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
we
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
haven’t
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
do
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
even watched
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
the flash,
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
the jam, too.
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
it will be talking a little bit about those two at the same time. No, and D’Shawn, it was better than Black Adam, but that’s like not saying anything, you know? That’s not saying anything at all, really.
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
It
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
Like,
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
was already…
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
you know, like.
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
it had already like… it was a red flag for me immediately when they were bringing in original villains.
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
Yes,
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
Just
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
exactly.
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
like the fuck, the fuck. UTs?
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
And with such big
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
U-
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
name actors, that’s what kills me. You
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
You teased
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
use
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
Mr.
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
all these
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
Mind
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
big name actors
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
and the Monster
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
to make
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
Society
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
up characters?
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
at the end of the first one, you give me fucking original villains in the sequel.
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
Right? You know, like fuck off. Yeah, exactly. Me, after seeing Black Adam and Shazam as a double feature, I was like, yeah, restart the DC universe. I was like, yeah, fuck
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
Oh
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
this,
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
boy,
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
I’m in.
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
oh you’re gonna
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
So
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
feel that
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
I…
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
you’re gonna feel that so hard when you watch the flash
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
Oh God, oh God.
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
But to be fair it is the reset so you’re like
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
And you just
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
you
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
know
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
can’t
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
you’re
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
ask
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
kinda
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
for the
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
like,
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
reset
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
it’s
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
it’s
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
here.
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
already there
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
It’s already there, it’s already happening. And then we have Blue Beetle coming up and that will absolutely be an episode because we love the Blue Beetle here
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
Yes,
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
and I feel like
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
I do want
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
it
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
to
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
is
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
support
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
something,
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
Blue Beetle. I
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
it’s
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
think
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
something
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
it’s gonna,
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
to talk about.
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
I think the movie looks fine. I think it’ll be fine.
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
Yes. And does One Piece come soon? Should we do me just watching the Netflix version with you having book knowledge and some show knowledge? Because you’ve seen the beginning of the show, obviously, too. So
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
Only like
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
no?
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
clips here and there. I
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
Okay,
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
just-
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
I
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
I
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
thought
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
read
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
you
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
one
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
I thought
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
piece.
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
you had.
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
I read one piece. I don’t watch it. That shit’s too long.
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
I know I was kind of like I was like that would be kind of fun though we do like a one piece where I’ve never seen anything else except for this and we and you have deep knowledge of it too I’d be like this might be
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
Yeah,
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
fun.
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
but then I would have to sit down and watch it.
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
I don’t know if you’ve heard the creator of One Piece made them reshoot a lot of it.
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
Yeah, it still
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
Yeah,
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
looks bad.
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
I know it doesn’t look great. I’m not I’m kind of like, oh god, they’re doing cowboy bebop again. They’re doing Jerry Seinfeld cowboy bebop again. Don’t do this. Like, we’ll see. We’ll fucking see. But guys, thank you so much for listening into this episode. I hope you have a great rest of your day.
Deshawn “ModKuraika” Vasquez:
and we’ll see you next time.
Frank “@yupfrank/@yupgundam” Duran:
And we’ll see you next time. Adios.